Offseason Hot Stove 2024-25 Thread

cajunrevenge said:
I also think people are sleeping on Nacho potentially for LF. He has put up an OBP over .380 at every level. I would like to see him get 400+ at bats this year. If he can simply put up a .350 OBP even with no power thats fine by me.
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His arm might be worse than Ozuna's... and I doubt range is much better.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I agree too.. but there is a difference between an investment and a business. Amazon is worth billions and Bozo could fund many projects within his companies on what he probably has in the bank.. but Amazon is not going to run a deficit on any one venture very long. What makes a company valuable, is it ability to make money. Sports franchises in a lot a ways are the same. I do agree they are a bit different in that they are valued on other factors outside of profit and loss...
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I think one difference is that Bezos can shed his losing investments at a loss (take the tax break that goes with that). I grew up on a small farm that was only part of the family income so we were insulated from the see-saw of land values and commodity prices, but I saw a number of neighborhood farms where the income from farming was the sole income get foreclosed when that income wasn't sufficient to cash flow the capital (often times capital propped up by loans). It's the same for a number of small businesses where there is nothing other than the business itself to shed. Once you can't cash flow your capital, the sound of the drain becomes closer and louder.

The thing with sports franchises is that they can often hold up a community to get a new stadium built and once that happens, the value of the franchise simply soars. The cost/benefit to the community as a whole when a stadium project is built is always up for debate, but the benefit to the ownership is considerable. I think A's owner Fisher is an absolute prick, but Las Vegas is building him a stadium and the value of the A's once they move will likely double.
 
MadduxFanII said:
I will say that if this ends up being the offseason and there are no major acquisitions, the Laureano non-tender looks meaningfully worse. There was a reasonable argument at the time that clearing the $6 million he was expected to make in arbitration was a good idea, either to make that money available for other moves or to keep under the luxury tax (I, personally, don't care even a tiny bit about Liberty Media avoiding the luxury tax, but I imagine they do, and I recognize that's going to influence how Anthopolous behaves). But if the team isn't going to spend significant money in the offseason, then neither factor is relevant. According to Rosenthal the Braves are about $24 million under the luxury tax threshold. Adding Laureano's $6 million to the books still leaves them $18 million under the line -- I don't think you get extra credit for being further under the threshold, and that would still leave plenty of wiggle room for a midseason trade.

I'm not under the impression that Ramon Laureano is a great player, but he is a competent Major League outfielder, at least in a broad sense, and we don't have a lot of those banging around right now.
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I think they can get him back for less than what his arb salary would have been. Imo he is the perfect guy to fill in for Acuna. He is a rare scrap heap guy with some potential. If he craps the bed we can release him when Acuna is healthy. Odds are injuries will give him playing time even with Acuna.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think one difference is that Bezos can shed his losing investments at a loss (take the tax break that goes with that). I grew up on a small farm that was only part of the family income so we were insulated from the see-saw of land values and commodity prices, but I saw a number of neighborhood farms where the income from farming was the sole income get foreclosed when that income wasn't sufficient to cash flow the capital (often times capital propped up by loans). It's the same for a number of small businesses where there is nothing other than the business itself to shed. Once you can't cash flow your capital, the sound of the drain becomes closer and louder.

The thing with sports franchises is that they can often hold up a community to get a new stadium built and once that happens, the value of the franchise simply soars. The cost/benefit to the community as a whole when a stadium project is built is always up for debate, but the benefit to the ownership is considerable. I think A's owner Fisher is an absolute prick, but Las Vegas is building him a stadium and the value of the A's once they move will likely double.
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I think all owners are pretty well insulated like you said.. they are already rich when they buy a franchise. So if they have 500 million in expenses and only bring in 400 million, they can absorb that loss and get a nice tax write off. But they wouldn't purposely operate at a 50-100 loss just to 'keep up' with the Dodger$..
 
cajunrevenge said:
says who? Scouting reports I see give him around a 50 rating for his arm.
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I retracted that statement. His arm isn't great, but it could probably play in the outfield... I don't know on range or jump of course.

I would hope a team trying to compete within a rapidly closing window, would try to strive for more than 'lets see if this guy can play the OF' approach.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I also think people are sleeping on Nacho potentially for LF. He has put up an OBP over .380 at every level. I would like to see him get 400+ at bats this year. If he can simply put up a .350 OBP even with no power thats fine by me.
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Nacho has minus athleticism, and is likely a 3B with no power and barely enough arm to handle the position. His sprint speed of 25.9 is about the same as Ozuna's 25.7, and a good bit worse than Soler's 26.9. Ozuna is so slow he's a DH only. Soler is so slow he was traded away rather than be allowed to play LF.

So no, I don't think anyone is sleeping on Nacho in LF. If he's playing there next year AA failed this offseason.
 
Enscheff said:
Nacho has minus athleticism, and is likely a 3B with no power and barely enough arm to handle the position. His sprint speed of 25.9 is about the same as Ozuna's 25.7, and a good bit worse than Soler's 26.9. Ozuna is so slow he's a DH only. Soler is so slow he was traded away rather than be allowed to play LF.

So no, I don't think anyone is sleeping on Nacho in LF. If he's playing there next year AA failed this offseason.
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I don't want nacho in lf, but I thought it was arm that stopped ozuna, not speed. I thought soler just sucked out there, and it wasn't bc he was slow... he just sucked
 
Enscheff said:
Nacho has minus athleticism, and is likely a 3B with no power and barely enough arm to handle the position. His sprint speed of 25.9 is about the same as Ozuna's 25.7, and a good bit worse than Soler's 26.9. Ozuna is so slow he's a DH only. Soler is so slow he was traded away rather than be allowed to play LF.

So no, I don't think anyone is sleeping on Nacho in LF. If he's playing there next year AA failed this offseason.
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So you’re saying AA is gonna trade him for next years CY winner?
 
msstate7 said:
I don't want nacho in lf, but I thought it was arm that stopped ozuna, not speed. I thought soler just sucked out there, and it wasn't bc he was slow... he just sucked
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I don't know how accurate or trust worthy the Jump stat is.. but it brutally hates Soler... looking at Soler and Acuna.. it is a big difference between them..

Acuna actually got good marks for route.. but not great jumps.. I think when someone told him that jumps are important when playing the OF.. he thought it referred to the end of the catch.
 
Enscheff said:
Nacho has minus athleticism, and is likely a 3B with no power and barely enough arm to handle the position. His sprint speed of 25.9 is about the same as Ozuna's 25.7, and a good bit worse than Soler's 26.9. Ozuna is so slow he's a DH only. Soler is so slow he was traded away rather than be allowed to play LF.

So no, I don't think anyone is sleeping on Nacho in LF. If he's playing there next year AA failed this offseason.
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Sprint speed isnt everything when it comes to defense. And Nacho is minus athleticism for SS but not for LF. Its more about reaction time and taking good angles to the ball.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Sprint speed isnt everything when it comes to defense. And Nacho is minus athleticism for SS but not for LF. Its more about reaction time and taking good angles to the ball.
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In Nachos case, it'll count. Watching him play defense at ss coming up was a lesson is "meh". He had enough reaction time not to get hit by a linedrive.
 
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