Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

To answer your now deleted query Mr Chip there are quite a few things state and local governments do that research indicates contributes to health and longevity. These include:

1) Opting into the expansion of Medicaid provided for by the ACA. California did this in 2014. It is shocking that a number of states have not done this on ideological grounds, when the benefits are so significant and obvious.

2) The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP). One of the most important programs that states have discretion over. California has funded it at a generous level.

3) There is an alphabet soup of other programs (TANF, SNAP, EITC) that states fund at varying level. The evidence suggests these programs move the ball on all sorts of metrics including health and longevity.

4) Public education on a range of things from nutrition to tobacco use. To a libertarian this is the nanny state. The evidence is the nanny state saves lives! But maybe we don't want to lose our "liberty" to live a few years longer, or to avoid babies and mothers dying during childbirth.

I could go on and on. On a year-to-year basis, California and other blue states (even when Republican governors are voted in) fund all of these programs at more generous levels with statistically significant payoffs in terms of a variety of outcomes.

I would also note they deserve credit for things they don't do as well: such as fan disinformation about vaccines and all sorts of other things. Deza kills!!

Caring about the environment (including reducing carbon emissions) also has enormous payoffs. California continues to be at the forefront of this. Much to the derision of our friends on these boards aka the Toaster Brigade!

Would you be shocked if I told you that paid family leave improves health outcomes? It seems pretty self-evident. But for the skeptics various people in need of tenure have published research affirming this.

Would you also be shocked if I told you that careful regulatory scrutiny of mergers in healthcare and the harmful effects of private equity ownership of assisted living facilities and hospitals are things we can do that can improve outcomes? This too seems self-evident, even though many of our friends think free markets are the way to go. Cuz government always mucks thangs up and regulations are always bad.
 
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nsacpi said:
To answer your now deleted query Mr Chip there are quite a few things state and local governments do that research indicates contributes to health and longevity. These include:

1) Opting into the expansion of Medicaid provided for by the ACA. California did this in 2014. It is shocking that a number of states have not done this on ideological grounds, when the benefits are so significant and obvious.

2) The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP). One of the most important programs that states have discretion over. California has funded it at a generous level.

3) There is an alphabet soup of other programs (TANF, SNAP, EITC) that states fund at varying level. The evidence suggests these programs move the ball on all sorts of metrics including health and longevity.

4) Public education on a range of things from nutrition to tobacco use. To a libertarian this is the nanny state. The evidence is the nanny state saves lives! But maybe we don't want to lose our "liberty" to live a few years longer, or to avoid babies and mothers dying during childbirth.

I could go on and on. On a year-to-year basis, California and other blue states (even when Republican governors are voted in) fund all of these programs at more generous levels with statistically significant payoffs in terms of a variety of outcomes.

I would also note they deserve credit for things they don't do as well: such as fan disinformation about vaccines and all sorts of other things. Deza kills!!

Caring about the environment (including reducing carbon emissions) also has enormous payoffs. California continues to be at the forefront of this. Much to the derision of our friends on these boards!

Would you be shocked if I told you that paid family leave improves health outcomes? It seems pretty self-evident. But for the skeptics various people in need of tenure have published research affirming this.
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Thanks for sharing. I deleted my post because I posted it in the spirit of being a contrarian rather than disagreement. I think much of what you shared is valid and at least directionally true (whether these programs fully justify their existence is another discussion for a different day). To be frank, my reaction has more to do with the redirection from the obvious failure of government with these fires by posting high level stats. Either way, it was a bad faith engagement on my part so I apologize for wasting your time.
 
chop2chip said:
Thanks for sharing. I deleted my post because I posted it in the spirit of being a contrarian rather than disagreement. I think much of what you shared is valid and at least directionally true (whether these programs fully justify their existence is another discussion for a different day). To be frank, my reaction has more to do with the redirection from the obvious failure of government with these fires by posting high level stats. Either way, it was a bad faith engagement on my part so I apologize for wasting your time.
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De nada. You are the last best hope for mankind still posting on these boards. I say that semi-sincerely.
 
Just what I said. Rural areas have poor medical care.

"Rural communities have fewer doctors, nurses and medical facilities per person than the country as a whole. Some rural hospitals have closed, leaving large geographic areas without local services."

Tobacco use is a culprit too.

 
Again, arguing that California is gaining in college degrees is the best argument against college i can imagine.

Educated voters are voting for the most incompetent governemnt in the United States
 
chop2chip said:
Thanks for sharing. I deleted my post because I posted it in the spirit of being a contrarian rather than disagreement. I think much of what you shared is valid and at least directionally true (whether these programs fully justify their existence is another discussion for a different day). To be frank, my reaction has more to do with the redirection from the obvious failure of government with these fires by posting high level stats. Either way, it was a bad faith engagement on my part so I apologize for wasting your time.
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It's entertaining though. When met with undeniable catastrophic failure, the instinct is to deflect. We see it with the Oklahoma stuff, we see with unrelated data sets.

We have a guy here who is seemingly very proud of his academic pedigree, but is unable to engage on current events on a daily basis bc the events conflict with his preferred ideology.

It's a perfect snapshot on why college has become so useless. Students are met with activists, not critical thinkers. Nsacpis students will never be asked to engage in the shortcomings of California's disaster readiness... instead, they will be lectured about how great they graduation rate is
 
It's possible I missed it. But I don't believe he has offered a single opinion on the event that has burned one of the greatest US cities to the ground.

He has spent countless energy on digging up crimes in Oklahoma and dental records by region.

That's why modern academia is such a laughing stock
 
nsacpi said:
if we had more white dudes in positions of authority wouldn't have happened
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It would be hard to imagine any white dude could be a downgrade from the obese lesbian fire chief who brags that she can't do the job. Or the $750k salaried water chief who assured us that equity was all that mattered.

But thank you for continuing to showcase the uselessness of modern academia. You did the same with covid. You are uncurious. You do not engage in meaningful research. You simply look to confirm your biases, like the rest of academia. Rather than question the failure of California's government, you instead seeked out unrelated information to validate your priors

A college education in 2025 is flushing money down the toilet
 
sturg33 said:
It would be hard to imagine any white dude could be a downgrade from the obese lesbian fire chief who brags that she can't do the job. Or the $750k salaried water chief who assured us that equity was all that mattered.

But thank you for continuing to showcase the uselessness of modern academia. You did the same with covid. You are uncurious. You do not engage in meaningful research. You simply look to confirm your biases, like the rest of academia. Rather than question the failure of California's government, you instead seeked out unrelated information to validate your priors

A college education in 2025 is flushing money down the toilet
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my thoughts exactly

does california even allow flushing
 
nsacpi said:
my thoughts exactly

does california even allow flushing
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I'll reiterate that an actual academic would have seen a major US city burned to the ground, and been deeply curious about what went wrong what changes should be made to public policy to avoid in the future.

But our fraudulent academic spent good Friday night researching dental records of red states
 
sturg33 said:
I'll reiterate that an actual academic would have seen a major US city burned to the ground, and been deeply curious about what went wrong what changes should be made to public policy to avoid in the future.

But our fraudulent academic spent good Friday night researching dental records of red states
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Yeah, as I said all of this nonsense he's doing is just a misdirection away from Cal's failures.
 
Garmel said:
It's like you don't know what you're talking about. Imagine that.

You talk down to us again and again you end up eating **** over and over again.

As I said you're a pompous jackass who isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
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Hes one of the dumbest people I've ever engaged with.

At least he talked his students out of generational wealth opportunity!
 
Hahaha.

No more bureaucracy!

And we will make price gouging laws!!!

So pathetically stupid. But the many college graduates cheer

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