Your stance is that because military leadership encouraged strategies you find ineffective that it follows that a helicopter pilot didn’t know how to fly a helicopter but was allowed to all this time because she’s a woman? Do you hear yourself?
Helicopter/plane Crash over Potomac
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Your stance is that because military leadership encouraged strategies you find ineffective that it follows that a helicopter pilot didn’t know how to fly a helicopter but was allowed to all this time because she’s a woman? Do you hear yourself?
In general I will continue to believe credentials imply competency more than lack of a penis automatically implies incompetency.
Because the *actual* point at issue is whether or not I was justified in opposing the idea a helicopter crash was caused by DEI as stated explicitly by Trump and Hegseth. It doesn’t feel particularly interesting that you can’t recall how we got here.
Last week it was DEI initiatives in Air Traffic Control that caused it, so forgive me if I’m not fully sold DEI was the culprit in the case of a helicopter pilot who has been flying a helicopter for years without crashing them suddenly did so. If you just blame DEI at the forefront and wait to find the first non-white male employee involved in any way, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
One helicopter crashed into a plane. If that’s what 20 years of Obama era DEI initiatives in this space have led to, I’m not sure it’s a great argument for it being a crisis in need of a solution.
To be clear, that’s just taking you at your word she wasn’t qualified, which is not a thing that’s been proven.
You're talking about operations and overall governance, which is not an individual result (though I would agree that some of their performance was lacking).
Captain Lobach by all accounts was an experienced pilot that was able to meet all the criteria required in a rigorous military training and testing program. She was not a "DEI hire" unless you are implying all women in the military are DEI hires.
If she were pictured wearing a MAGA hat you would have tripped over yourself running to defend her.
One major issue I have with this new “blame DEI” play is that if the standards were lowered so much that you can no longer trust them, why is it only being used to go after non-white men? If a white man makes a mistake in his job, could he not also be an employee that is under-qualified? If an isolated incident occurs, such as a helicopter running into an airplane, why is the identity of the pilot any sign of anything? The new standards are already in place for any employee, so we can just look at the standards themselves and determine if they’re adequate, right?
"by all accounts" means what exactly?
Your guess is as good as mine but you default to just believing the credentialing/certification despite understanding the environment of lowering standards we have lived in recently.
"By all accounts" meaning by all the information we have of her. Her training background. Her experience (450+ flight hours). Her educational back ground. Nothing suggests she wasn't qualified to be pilot. Insinuating she was a DEI because of her political beliefs is belittling her service record.
Is there any evidence that military pilot training standards have been lowered? Because I certainly am not aware of them. And certainly my friends and family in the military are not aware of that either. In fact, it would extremely surprising if that were true.
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The problem.with DEI is rightfully brings into question the qualifications of everyone, especially those who check the DEI boxes.
This person worked for Joe Biden, so probably a political activist. She was a woman. Check that box. She was gay! Hell yes, get her in the fleet ASAP
You can watch that video and incompetence is a charitable attribute. Someone, somewhere failed
This person worked for Joe Biden, so probably a political activist. She was a woman. Check that box. She was gay! Hell yes, get her in the fleet ASAP
You can watch that video and incompetence is a charitable attribute. Someone, somewhere failed
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When I board a flight, I'm relieved to see male pilots.
Not because females can't fly the planes. But because if some emergency happened, I trust the men to handle that adversity much better.
My combat military friends often shared storied about women losing their **** when things got dangerous, and that they would have to expend as much energy on getting through the situation as they would getting themselves.
In clthe case of the helicopter, I'm sure this pilot was being told she was flying in the path of a plane. But something happened to where she didn't do anything about it
Very tragic
Not because females can't fly the planes. But because if some emergency happened, I trust the men to handle that adversity much better.
My combat military friends often shared storied about women losing their **** when things got dangerous, and that they would have to expend as much energy on getting through the situation as they would getting themselves.
In clthe case of the helicopter, I'm sure this pilot was being told she was flying in the path of a plane. But something happened to where she didn't do anything about it
Very tragic
To be fair, I have been consistently neglecting to consider whether or not you personally trust their decision-making abilities under pressure when I try to ascertain if they’re qualified to fly a helicopter. Can I get a hierarchy of which traits make someone a more adept pilot? I’d hate to get on a plane with a pilot under 6’ tall if it might make you feel unsafe.
Apparently she confirmed she saw it, which means she was likely looking at the wrong plane.
Like I said earlier, this isn't 1 person's fault. It was a combination of events. All I know is that it is poor taste for a civilian to call into question the achievements and qualifications of military personnel.
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Sounds tedious.
I think in general, men handle danger better than women, and handle adversity better as well.
Hell I work in corporate America... 93% of complaints to HR are from women. I'm sure plenty of that is justified... but when faced with adversity, they run to someone else to help much more frequently than the men do
If a plane is falling out the sky, there's not too many people to run to for help