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I trust the people that aren’t incentivized by the fraud and waste more so than the ones who get rich off of it.

Elon Musk’s own companies have subsidies, tax breaks and contracts with the government, and the entire Trump Admin is incentivized politically to cut spending that Trump voters wanted to see. You absolutely cannot escape the fact that the government is political entity, and relying on their report of what they’ve accomplished would be like me trusting the jobs reports each quarter for the past 4 years. You can’t just rely on the government to tell you the truth, because they’re all compromised in some way.
 
No, I just said their truth will be closer than what the media will say. Do you an issue with reading comprehension?

Besides, a guy who says he would cut the genitals off of his transgender kid doesn't need to insinuate others being gaslighted.

Nah, I’m not going to abide by this tone from someone who can’t recognize that replacing one biased source of data with another isn’t free thinking.
 
Elon Musk’s own companies have subsidies, tax breaks and contracts with the government, and the entire Trump Admin is incentivized politically to cut spending that Trump voters wanted to see. You absolutely cannot escape the fact that the government is political entity, and relying on their report of what they’ve accomplished would be like me trusting the jobs reports each quarter for the past 4 years. You can’t just rely on the government to tell you the truth, because they’re all compromised in some way.

He produces an actual product that will greatly enhance our future. This comparison is lazy and one filled with bias currently. It doesn’t compare to politicians with no companies / value that become rich after years in politics.
 
Nah, I’m not going to abide by this tone from someone who can’t recognize that replacing one biased source of data with another isn’t free thinking.

I'll have a tendency to believe the guys who aren't receiving the slush fund money over the media and politicians that are.
 
He produces an actual product that will greatly enhance our future. This comparison is lazy and one filled with bias currently. It doesn’t compare to politicians with no companies / value that become rich after years in politics.

And actual product that he might still be able to produce without the government lining his pockets further. This isn’t meant as an apples to apples comparison, but you cannot possibly be dumb enough to think Elon and Trump couldn’t make stuff up to influence public perception of their actions, or to believe that Musk couldn’t possibly be taking more from the American taxpayer than he absolutely must to stay afloat.
 
And actual product that he might still be able to produce without the government lining his pockets further. This isn’t meant as an apples to apples comparison, but you cannot possibly be dumb enough to think Elon and Trump couldn’t make stuff up to influence public perception of their actions, or to believe that Musk couldn’t possibly be taking more from the American taxpayer than he absolutely must to stay afloat.

Trump was literally the most transparent president in my lifetime.

THe assumption this is happening is your own bias because what we just saw the last four years was truly corrupt.
 
I'll have a tendency to believe the guys who aren't receiving the slush fund money over the media and politicians that are.

Again, that’s your right, but the people running a political operation to “eliminate waste and fraud” have an incentive to do as much of that as possible, and outright lying about what they’re finding is a good way to pad the score a bit. So I’m not going to blindly believe them over the media because they aren’t getting some type of funding from USAID.
 
Trump was literally the most transparent president in my lifetime.

THe assumption this is happening is your own bias because what we just saw the last four years was truly corrupt.

Insofar as he is very willing to open his mouth and say he’s being transparent. I don’t suppose you’ve heard of this thing called “lying” have you?
 
Insofar as he is very willing to open his mouth and say he’s being transparent. I don’t suppose you’ve heard of this thing called “lying” have you?

Ah yes - Back to crowd sizes.

But mums the word on russian disinformation.
 
Freedom of speech for Musk not for us

https://www.wmur.com/article/trump-fires-faa-employees-aviation-safety/63820608

Charles Spitzer-Stadtlander posted on LinkedIn that he was fired just after midnight Saturday, days after he started getting harassing messages on Facebook.

“The official DOGE Facebook page started harassing me on my personal Facebook account after I criticized Tesla and Twitter," Spitzer-Stadtlander wrote. “Less than a week later, I was fired, despite my position allegedly being exempted due to national security.”

He added: "When DOGE fired me, they turned off my computer and wiped all of my files without warning.”

Spitzer-Stadtlander said he was supposed to be exempted from the probationary firings because the FAA office he worked in focused on national security threats such as attacks on the national airspace by drones.
 
Ah yes - Back to crowd sizes.

But mums the word on russian disinformation.

I’m not claiming Dems or the media tell the truth all the time. I’m claiming Trump and Musk also lie, and that believing they lie less because you like what you’re hearing from them is naive.
 
Yeah - I'm sure Musk and team took a personal vendetta against this seemingly nobody and risked their integrity in the process.
 
I’m not claiming Dems or the media tell the truth all the time. I’m claiming Trump and Musk also lie, and that believing they lie less because you like what you’re hearing from them is naive.

"Lies" & "Embellishments" are not hte same thing.

The Dems did nothing but lie, as did establishment republicans - Its a big difference.
 
"Lies" & "Embellishments" are not hte same thing.

The Dems did nothing but lie, as did establishment republicans - Its a big difference.

They are if the person “embellishing” knows the real figures and makes up his own, but I don’t need to split hairs on embellishments vs. outright lies when it comes to Trump, because he just openly tells a bunch of lies too.
 
Yeah - I'm sure Musk and team took a personal vendetta against this seemingly nobody and risked their integrity in the process.

Petty personal vendettas has been a popular calling card of Musk’s. Remember that time he leaked DMs and restricted account features of a guy who called him out for lying about video games a few weeks ago?
 
They are if the person “embellishing” knows the real figures and makes up his own, but I don’t need to split hairs on embellishments vs. outright lies when it comes to Trump, because he just openly tells a bunch of lies too.

As a Biden voter, I’d sit this one out hoss
 
As a Biden voter, I’d sit this one out hoss

But I’m not claiming Biden doesn’t do these things, just that Trump doesn’t not do them. It’s a point that’s so simple and obvious, but for some reason the response is always to refer me back to the fact that Biden/the media/Dems lie to me. The existence of liars that advance left-wing policies is not a rebuttal to claims that people lie in order to advance right-wing policies.
 
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