Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

zitothebrave said:
See again, you're blaming "the West" for Putin being a dictator who's trying to restore the Russian Empire. Putin would have justified anything for his invasion. Becuase he's a terrible person. Remember when he killed his own people and blamed it on Chechen Rebels to insure he stayed in office by starting Second Chechen War?

No you didn't show any faultiness in my logic. You think you did. You said Papa Bear Putin was justified to invade Ukraine becasue "the West" because you blame everything bad that happens on "the West" we get it, you like parrotting Russian Propaganda because Daddy DOnnie does. We get it.
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Can you point to me where I said Putin was justified for his invasion?
 
Similarly, I'd like for you to show me where I ever supported taking over Gaza since you claim that is my position.
 
thethe said:
Its clear you don't understand nuance so I'm asking you to show me one time I said Putin was justified.
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"You tell on yourself when you say Putin and Russia were the aggressors and what you say is you’re fully susceptible to western propaganda and lack ability to do independent research."
 
zitothebrave said:
"You tell on yourself when you say Putin and Russia were the aggressors and what you say is you’re fully susceptible to western propaganda and lack ability to do independent research."
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This is your best effort to say I said 'Putin was justified'?

Cool
 
zitothebrave said:
You literally said it was self defense. DO you not know what an agressor is? Or do you not believe self defense is justified?
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The 'aggressor' label is outright wrong. But that doesn't mean someone is justified for killing people. I just understand why he did what he did. You and Carp believe it was an irrational action caused by nothing else. Thats where you guys are wrong.

The war would not have happened if not for Western aggression.
 
thethe said:
The 'aggressor' label is outright wrong. But that doesn't mean someone is justified for killing people. I just understand why he did what he did. You and Carp believe it was an irrational action caused by nothing else. Thats where you guys are wrong.

The war would not have happened if not for Western aggression.
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So you're saying Putin was justified.
 
zitothebrave said:
So you're saying Putin was justified.
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No I said this would never have happened without Western aggression.

Corner a bad man and the reaction should not be be surprising.

But you don't think the West did anything wrong. We are always the innocent party in all situations apparently. You support the Boltons/Cheaneys/Bush/McCain types of the world
 
thethe said:
No I said this would never have happened without Western aggression.

Corner a bad man and the reaction should not be be surprising.

But you don't think the West did anything wrong. We are always the innocent party in all situations apparently. You support the Boltons/Cheaneys/Bush/McCain types of the world
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So you're sayinghe's justified

I don't think "The WEst" did anything wrong. I think the idea of capitulating to a tyrant because someone wants more ties to Europe is something I don't think we should do. We shouldn't make soveriegn nations not be able to govern themselves because Putin gets his panties in a wad.
 
Am I the only one getting Crypto/Casino crap junk mail in my private messages??? Why me?

Is this supposed to be a joke of some kind?

Orange Jesus is proving to be exactly who we knew him to be. I feel sorry for those still with a working brain who may be starting to realize what a mistake joining his cult is.
 
thethe said:
The 'aggressor' label is outright wrong. But that doesn't mean someone is justified for killing people. I just understand why he did what he did. You and Carp believe it was an irrational action caused by nothing else. Thats where you guys are wrong.

The war would not have happened if not for Western aggression.
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It's irrational because Russia believes the lands they gave up in the dissolution of the USSR still belong to them. And they have actively tried to regain control of these regions as far back as the mid 90's.

Do you support Palestine's claim as well? Are they justified in their actions?

There was a War. A Cold War, but a War nonetheless. The USSR lost and new countries were formed. Russia should respect those claims instead of constantly stirring up conflict to reclaim what they think is their's.
 
Carp said:
It's irrational because Russia believes the lands they gave up in the dissolution of the USSR still belong to them. And they have actively tried to regain control of these regions as far back as the mid 90's.

Do you support Palestine's claim as well? Are they justified in their actions?

There was a War. A Cold War, but a War nonetheless. The USSR lost and new countries were formed. Russia should respect those claims instead of constantly stirring up conflict to reclaim what they think is their's.
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Land claims have changed throughout history - Just because one war happened doesn't mean the land claims last forever.

Hamas/Hezbollah certainly believes they are justified but they are attacking innocent people and killing them so its a different kind of animal.

Putin has clearly restrained in his approach as it could have been much worse.

Again, its irrational to you but it isn't irrational to PUtin and majority of Russian people so when you are doing diplomacy around the world those are the conisderations you have as opposed ot the Obama/Biden doctrine of **** RUSSIA and we will do what we want. That hasn't worked well.
 
Carp said:
It's irrational because Russia believes the lands they gave up in the dissolution of the USSR still belong to them. And they have actively tried to regain control of these regions as far back as the mid 90's.

Do you support Palestine's claim as well? Are they justified in their actions?

There was a War. A Cold War, but a War nonetheless. The USSR lost and new countries were formed. Russia should respect those claims instead of constantly stirring up conflict to reclaim what they think is their's.
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Beyond even that, Russia proved they couldn't govern these countries and they chose freedom and won it. How would anyone in America feel if Britain decided to invade us because we used to be part of the British Empire? The dissolution of the USSR was ugly. I'm too young to remember it happening live but I've watched a healthy chunk of content and read various books to know that it wasn't clean. And it could have been much uglier than it was.
 
zitothebrave said:
Beyond even that, Russia proved they couldn't govern these countries and they chose freedom and won it. How would anyone in America feel if Britain decided to invade us because we used to be part of the British Empire? The dissolution of the USSR was ugly. I'm too young to remember it happening live but I've watched a healthy chunk of content and read various books to know that it wasn't clean. And it could have been much uglier than it was.
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Yes - The old USSR by the end of a dead rotten busted car that needed to be put to bed. Territorial boundires have changed historically consistently.
 
thethe said:
Yes - The old USSR by the end of a dead rotten busted car that needed to be put to bed. Territorial boundires have changed historically consistently.
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Yes by Wars. And almost exclusively started by power hungry groups that were never justified in their actions.

The world had come a long ways in a span of 100ish years. And since the end of WWII, the world has overall experienced a period of peace not seen since the peak of the Roman empire. And with the dawn of nuclear deterrence and other advanced technologies, the days of land conquerors is something that should be at an end. Certainly is not something that should be tolerated.

Russia lost the Cold War. But they still haven't gotten over it. That is the prime reason these Russian invasions keep popping up every 10 years. It's Russia's intent on recapturing the past. Not West interference.
 
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