Economics Thread

chop2chip said:
Am I wrong? Didn’t Trump promise that other countries would pay the tariffs
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Can you give me a listing of all products that have increased in price right now?

Can you then compare that to what it will look like in 2-4 years when manufacturing is shifted here and/or better trade deals are established?

If you want to take a simplistic view to analyze unwinding 40+ years of globalists concentrations of wealth at the expense of the US Middle class then by all means please do it. You are entitled to be wrong.
 
thethe said:
Can you give me a listing of all products that have increased in price right now?

Can you then compare that to what it will look like in 2-4 years when manufacturing is shifted here and/or better trade deals are established?

If you want to take a simplistic view to analyze unwinding 40+ years of globalists concentrations of wealth at the expense of the US Middle class then by all means please do it. You are entitled to be wrong.
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Yea we’ve ran this argument in circles dozens of times. What do you want me to say? I fundamentally disagree with you.

Recession odds on Polymarket now up to 50%. Good luck keeping Congress in a recession.
 
chop2chip said:
Yea we’ve ran this argument in circles dozens of times. What do you want me to say? I fundamentally disagree with you.

Recession odds on Polymarket now up to 50%. Good luck keeping Congress in a recession.
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I'm aware you're upset about price changes in the first few months of a plan to completely re-orient the global supply change that has been rigged to gut the American middle class and increase concentrations of capital. What do you want me to say to that.

I'm glad Polymarket is predicting a recession - That means so much to me.

Country has been in a recession for years now.
 
thethe said:
My prediction is similar to your overreaction to the Department of Education comments that you will take the negative argument on all of this moving forward.
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well economic policy is pretty important to me, and I hate this policy with a burning passion
 
thethe said:
I'm aware you're upset about price changes in the first few months of a plan to completely re-orient the global supply change that has been rigged to gut the American middle class and increase concentrations of capital. What do you want me to say to that.

I'm glad Polymarket is predicting a recession - That means so much to me.

Country has been in a recession for years now.
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You’ll care when Republicans lose Congress. You think the middle class is gonna care about reorienting the long term vision of manufacturing supply chain in a 18 months? No. They are gonna be pissed about expensive homes and cars (lumber and aluminum), inflated food prices (potash) and their investments (market correction).
 
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sturg33 said:
well economic policy is pretty important to me, and I hate this policy with a burning passion
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People that haven't benefitted from the globalist 'free trade' economic perversion will love the reduction in asset prices when its their turn to enter the market.

People that had little prospects will love the fact that manufacturing plants are opening and good paying jobs are all of a sudden available.
 
chop2chip said:
You’ll care when Republicans lose Congress. You think the middle class is gonna care about reorienting the long term vision of manufacturing supply chain in a 18 months? No. They are gonna be pissed about expensive homes and cars (lumber and aluminum), inflated food prices (potash) and their investments (market correction).
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Traditionally, presidential party in power loses congress the following election cycle but I'm sure 'Tariffs' will be made to be the boogeyman.

My main concern is ensuring we get 8 years of Vance after Trump to continue this policy. Then we get the benefit of a far more accurate census plus controlled borders. The economic tailwinds will follow him.
 
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thethe said:
Traditionally, party in power loses congress the following year but I'm sure 'Tariffs' will be made to be the boogeyman.

My main concern is ensuring we get 8 years of Vance after Trump to continue this policy. The economic tailwinds will follow him.
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In some part because the overall economy doesn’t often change enough from when the President in office was elected.

But to be clear, your stated position has been that Trump’s economy will be so strong as a result of his genius policies and the 2024 results were such a clear indicator of the country’s political direction that Democrats won’t win **** in 2026 or ever again. Don’t go changing the goalposts now.
 
mqt said:
In some part because the overall economy doesn’t often change enough from when the President in office was elected.

But to be clear, your stated position has been that Trump’s economy will be so strong as a result of his genius policies and the 2024 results were such a clear indicator of the country’s political direction that Democrats won’t win **** in 2026 or ever again. Don’t go changing the goalposts now.
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Oh yes - By the time midterms are here the economy will be on the upswing. I have ZERO doubts about this.

Never short America - Never.
 
The only thing that will matter come midterms is controlling borders / lowering everyday costs (will be done via energy production) / making housing more affordable.
 
thethe said:
The only thing that will matter come midterms is controlling borders / lowering everyday costs (will be done via energy production) / making housing more affordable.
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I don’t know that I would put the border that high when you’re the people running the economy. The border can be 100% secure and **** won’t change in any meaningful way in most communities around the country. Not a ton of illegal immigrants in central Pennsylvania or northern Michigan man.
 
Tapate50 said:
For anyone paying attention it’s been that way a while
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That’s a big reason why Trump won.

Inflation from tariffs (even if it’s short term) won’t be forgiven by your low information voter who can’t afford a new car, especially when the neighbor Becky tells them it’s because Trump enacted a “tax on Canada”
 
mqt said:
I don’t know that I would put the border that high when you’re the people running the economy. The border can be 100% secure and **** won’t change in any meaningful way in most communities around the country. Not a ton of illegal immigrants in central Pennsylvania or northern Michigan man.
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I don’t know why your side of the aisle can’t seem to wrap your heads around why border control is so popular. Of course in some areas the impact of immigration is more direct, but the vibe is felt everywhere. Strong border policy is going to be bipartisan in the next election (Trump deserves massive credit for that).
 
mqt said:
I don’t know that I would put the border that high when you’re the people running the economy. The border can be 100% secure and **** won’t change in any meaningful way in most communities around the country. Not a ton of illegal immigrants in central Pennsylvania or northern Michigan man.
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How is the economy being ruined for people that aren't asset holders? What prices have substantially changed?

What are you basing the # of illegals in an area since the population is described as 'undocumented'?
 
thethe said:
How is the economy being ruined for people that aren't asset holders? What prices have substantially changed?

What are you basing the # of illegals in an area since the population is described as 'undocumented'?
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I will be frequently bumping this post the next several months.
 
chop2chip said:
That’s a big reason why Trump won.

Inflation from tariffs (even if it’s short term) won’t be forgiven by your low information voter who can’t afford a new car, especially when the neighbor Becky tells them it’s because Trump enacted a “tax on Canada”
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Exactly. As someone who watched the Dems in 2024, I have grim ****ing news for any MAGA folks who think they can culture war their way to electoral victory if you’re the party in power touting your Economic accomplishments and it’s not actually better and is possibly worse for the voters. I don’t know if Dems will have the popular national opinion on a lot of other issues, but people will suddenly care a whole lot less about 15 trans kids playing sports or social media content moderation when prices go way up on imports and highly paying jobs don’t sprout up everywhere in return.
 
thethe said:
How is the economy being ruined for people that aren't asset holders? What prices have substantially changed?

What are you basing the # of illegals in an area since the population is described as 'undocumented'?
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Surely you understand why falling asset prices impacts the economy and decisions people make along with banks, right?
 
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