Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

[sturg33]

No - trump endorsed him in the primary when he was losing.

You are right, he did. But per grok, RDS was up in polls 40-32 when the endorsement happened and then easily won the primary.

It's certainly possible trumps endorsement was the key... but I'm not really interested in the butterfly effect discourse. Or else, you should be telling us how lucky we were to have Obama bc he ushered in trump

 

[mqt]

Trumps rhetoric ok tariffs was very clear not only in the election season but literally his whole life.

Some voters may have weirdly assumed Congress wouldn’t just give away their powers to Trump to do it and voted on the assumption common sense would win out.

 

[thethe]

No - trump endorsed him in the primary when he was losing.

Yes, before Donald Trump's endorsement in December 2017, Ron DeSantis was trailing in polls for the 2018 Florida Republican gubernatorial primary. Early polls showed Adam Putnam, the establishment-backed Agriculture Commissioner, leading significantly. For example, a September 2017 poll by the Florida Chamber of Commerce had Putnam at 34% and DeSantis at 12%. Another poll from October 2017 by the University of North Florida gave Putnam a 27-point lead, with 44% to DeSantis' 17%. Trump's endorsement dramatically shifted momentum, and by mid-2018, polls showed DeSantis surging ahead, ultimately winning the primary by about 20 points.

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Again - without Trump there is no desantis.

 

[thethe]

You are right, he did. But per grok, RDS was up in polls 40-32 when the endorsement happened and then easily won the primary.

It's certainly possible trumps endorsement was the key... but I'm not really interested in the butterfly effect discourse. Or else, you should be telling us how lucky we were to have Obama bc he ushered in trump

I think you need to ask grok again - but we could avoid that and just post the released polls prior to trumps multiple endorsements.

 

[sturg33]

Taxation without representation I believe.

Do you believe the Founding Fathers were leftists, commies, etc. for liking tariffs and public education. Just curious.

Plenty of the founders had leftist views. Alexander Hamilton was a disaster, for example.

Jefferson was against tarrifs. I tend to view things similarly to TK

 

[thethe]

Some voters may have weirdly assumed Congress wouldn’t just give away their powers to Trump to do it and voted on the assumption common sense would win out.

You mean like when Trump used tariffs in his first term?

 

[thethe]

Plenty of the founders had leftist views. Alexander Hamilton was a disaster, for example.

Jefferson was against tarrifs. I tend to view things similarly to TK

You actually believe Hamilton was a disaster? Seriously? Why?

 

[sturg33]

I think you need to ask grok again - but we could avoid that and just post the released polls prior to trumps multiple endorsements.

Fine. You could very well be right. But again, I dont dismiss all the good RDS has done as a thank you to Trump. I'd imagine President Rand Paul would have also endorsed his fellow freedom caucus member

 

[mqt]

You mean like when Trump used tariffs in his first term?

Congress giving Trump the unchecked power to implement double and triple digit percent tariffs at random and refusing to even vote on whether or not he should still have those powers is not something the average voter should have needed to consider.

 

[sturg33]

You actually believe Hamilton was a disaster? Seriously? Why?

His obsession with a national bank (modern day federal reserve) and wanting to subsidize state debts from the federal government

 

[sturg33]

Congress giving Trump the unchecked power to implement double and triple digit percent tariffs at random and refusing to even vote on whether or not he should still have those powers is not something the average voter should have needed to consider.

Completely unacceptable

 

[thethe]

Fine. You could very well be right. But again, I dont dismiss all the good RDS has done as a thank you to Trump. I'd imagine President Rand Paul would have also endorsed his fellow freedom caucus member

Rand Paul had zero chance of beating Hillary. Come on. Don’t be silly.

It’s not about dismissing RDS it’s about your absurd contention that Trump pulled the party and the country left. Part of trumps impact is what RDS has done in Florida.

Without trunp the Dems have a supermajority in perpetuity. It’s been their plan for decades. Trump just came along and stopped it.

 

[thethe]

His obsession with a national bank (modern day federal reserve) and wanting to subsidize state debts from the federal government

It’s promoted incredible growth at a time the country needed liquidity.

 

[thethe]

Congress giving Trump the unchecked power to implement double and triple digit percent tariffs at random and refusing to even vote on whether or not he should still have those powers is not something the average voter should have needed to consider.

The voter will be thrilled at the result of trumps tactics.

 

[mqt]

It’s promoted incredible growth at a time the country needed liquidity.

Maybe after RFK knocks Autism out this summer he can move on to how an entire political movement can have so many of the exact same ridiculous views.

 

[sturg33]

Rand Paul had zero chance of beating Hillary. Come on. Don’t be silly.

It’s not about dismissing RDS it’s about your absurd contention that Trump pulled the party and the country left. Part of trumps impact is what RDS has done in Florida.

Without trunp the Dems have a supermajority in perpetuity. It’s been their plan for decades. Trump just came along and stopped it.

Yes and I'm sympathetic to the argument that Trump was needed at the time he rose to power

He's not anymore. Go win with ruthless competent governance and smart economics. Regan did this back in the day. RDS has done this at the state level. We can do without the chaos and the king shit now

 

[Garmel]

You're missing the other side of the equation. This is reminding me of the Trump argument that trade deficits are inherently a bad thing, not realizing there is an equal and offsetting capital account surplus. The VAT's are trade neutral.

In theory they are trade neutral.

In reality, not so much.

 

[thethe]

Yes and I'm sympathetic to the argument that Trump was needed at the time he rose to power

He's not anymore. Go win with ruthless competent governance and smart economics. Regan did this back in the day. RDS has done this at the state level. We can do without the chaos and the king shit now

Easy to rule like that with supermajorities. But I digress.

Trump is still growing the base (which demographically from age and race was going against more traditional GOP candidates. Trump is still needed.

 

[chop2chip]

Really? According to a poll I just read 73 republican favor it and only 10% dems do.

 

[mqt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1913327796103119154

The WH is so eager to talk about anything other than the economy that they’re just taunting anybody who dares to question their illegal nonsense. Grim stuff.