AJSS Has A Torn UCL

Man that's a tough blow for him and the team. So he will miss pretty much all of 26 also. Lopez when he comes back probably needs to be a high leverage reliever with the shoulder problems.
 
I don't know where Snitker fits in this whole thing. Smith-Shawver throws very hard and his arm blew up. Unless I am missing something, he didn't throw another pitch after the pop.
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't know where Snitker fits in this whole thing. Smith-Shawver throws very hard and his arm blew up. Unless I am missing something, he didn't throw another pitch after the pop.
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Think the criticism is we left AJSS in after the ball off the ankle, which some believe led to overcompensation by AJ which destroyed his elbow
 
msstate7 said:
Think the criticism is we left AJSS in after the ball off the ankle, which some believe led to overcompensation by AJ which destroyed his elbow
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I agree with Cy more than you. I haven't looked at the Statcast data (I rarely do), but did his velocity dip after the ball off the ankle? If it did, then Snitker should share in the blame. The player has to dictate his condition to the staff in these instances. There's the old adage that "you hurt the team when you minimize an injury."

I'm not standing up for Snitker here. I'm generally slow to the punch when ending a manager's tenure is on the table, but once I reach the point of no return I'm as vigorous as his most ardent anti-fans in thinking he should go and it's now time.
 
When I said the Braves couldn’t afford to have both Holmes and AJSS in the rotation this is not what I had in mind. It should be noted that increases in velocity are a very reliable predictor to blowing out an elbow.
 
I didn’t watch the AJSS outing, but the statcast data suggests to me the injury occurred during the Stott PA. He went from throwing 97-99 with 2130 rpm to suddenly 94 with 2000 rpm, which is a textbook indication of injury. It looks like he was only allowed to face Turner while injured, so it’s not like he went half an inning with a blown elbow.

Who noticed and took action can’t be determined from the statcast data, but it should have been obvious during the Turner PA.
 
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50PoundHead said:
I agree with Cy more than you. I haven't looked at the Statcast data (I rarely do), but did his velocity dip after the ball off the ankle? If it did, then Snitker should share in the blame. The player has to dictate his condition to the staff in these instances. There's the old adage that "you hurt the team when you minimize an injury."

I'm not standing up for Snitker here. I'm generally slow to the punch when ending a manager's tenure is on the table, but once I reach the point of no return I'm as vigorous as his most ardent anti-fans in thinking he should go and it's now time.
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3 fastballs prior... 96.7, 97.5, 95.8
3 fastballs after...95.9, 94.7, 94.2 (last pitch)
 
Hudson2 said:
Man that's a tough blow for him and the team. So he will miss pretty much all of 26 also. Lopez when he comes back probably needs to be a high leverage reliever with the shoulder problems.
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Being young and his first TJ I think the all star break 2026 is a good bet. Since he already had control issues he might need the remainder of that year in the minors. I could see him starting rehab starts this time next year and back in Atlanta about August. Lopez I agree should come back as a reliever. A multi inning reliever imo. I do doubt AA will ever sacrifice the potential for a top of the rotation starter for a reliever though. I would like to see Lopez used as a multi inning reliever next year targeting 100 IP.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Being young and his first TJ I think the all star break 2026 is a good bet. Since he already had control issues he might need the remainder of that year in the minors. I could see him starting rehab starts this time next year and back in Atlanta about August. Lopez I agree should come back as a reliever. A multi inning reliever imo. I do doubt AA will ever sacrifice the potential for a top of the rotation starter for a reliever though. I would like to see Lopez used as a multi inning reliever next year targeting 100 IP.
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Spot starters are huge these days so if we can get 2 good SP in the offseason that would put Holmes and Lopez in the bullpen and have 2 very good guys that can spot start when we need them and be high leverage relievers. With the way we've chased Cease the last several years I'll be really surprised if AA doesn't loosen the purse strings and sign him this offseason.
 
The FA SP actually looks pretty deep this offseason. I propose we sign Ranger Suarez so he cant pitch against us. Even if he never throws a pitch it might be worth it. The RP market is bad and even worse now that Iglesias is shitting the bed. I dont see us signing a SP to a contract anywhere close to what Fried got. I think they will be shopping at the high end of SP who arent likely to get absurd long term deals. I do think they really like Holmes and he will be staying in the rotation unless he gets injured. He might not be the best SP but he is very valuable in a cost vs production. A pre-arbitration 5th starter means we can spend more on the first 4 spots.
 
cajunrevenge said:
The FA SP actually looks pretty deep this offseason. I propose we sign Ranger Suarez so he cant pitch against us. Even if he never throws a pitch it might be worth it. The RP market is bad and even worse now that Iglesias is shitting the bed. I dont see us signing a SP to a contract anywhere close to what Fried got. I think they will be shopping at the high end of SP who arent likely to get absurd long term deals. I do think they really like Holmes and he will be staying in the rotation unless he gets injured. He might not be the best SP but he is very valuable in a cost vs production. A pre-arbitration 5th starter means we can spend more on the first 4 spots.
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The reason I see them going after a TOR SP like Cease is bc of the injury to AJSS and it'll be Sale's last year here. AA saw what has happened this year by not addressing needs and I don't think it'll happen again.
 
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