2025 Around The League Thread

msstate7 said:
His hr/fb rate was 25.0% in your sample period (through May). That's not sustainable either. 10.3% for this season. His hr/fb rate for the last 5 seasons combined is 10.6%
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It is when you are really bad, like he was earlier in the season. You don't just bad luck into giving up 110+ MPH homers.

But you can absolutely luck into not giving up homers.
 
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The Braves shouldn't sign any closer.. they should have 4-5 high leverage guys that can pitch in the 2-3 high leverage situations any one game will present. Iggy can be one of those guys (not the highest leverage guy hopefully) if his ask is not stupid.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
The Braves shouldn't sign any closer.. they should have 4-5 high leverage guys that can pitch in the 2-3 high leverage situations any one game will present. Iggy can be one of those guys (not the highest leverage guy hopefully) if his ask is not stupid.
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Snit will be back, book it. You have to have set roles for his DA
 
msstate7 said:
Pretty sure they were all on a pitch that he dropped - slider
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But his slider used to be his best pitch. Granted, his command of it was spotty at times, but the movement profile was elite.

The change-up has followed suit with reduced effectiveness (batters hitting .306 off it this year). My assumption is that the change-up played really well off his slider as his other off speed pitch. Now that he has abandoned the slider, the change is all he has left for an off-speed offering. Add to that, his FB has lost velocity. Although it's effectiveness has actually increased, but again I go back to the HR rate being abnormally low.

Basically, he is a FB/Sinker pitcher at this point, and he throws a decent change to keep batters from sitting on those 2 pitches. That isn't going to get it done as an elite closer. He can still be effective, but he's nowhere near an elite RP anymore. Maybe if he recaptures the slider, but at age 35 that seems unlikely.
 
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Carp said:
It wasn't just a bad month. He was terrible in both April and May. That extended into the first week of June and the horrific loss to AZ where they scored 7 runs in the 9th.

To his credit, he bounced back after that disastrous AZ appearance and he's had a 1.60 ERA ever since. But even this stretch has a lot of red flags. Starting with the .27 HR rate. There is zero chance that is sustainable. His HR/FB rate is also a ridiculous 2.2% over this time. Again, this a number that it is nowhere near sustainable. His career average is 11.8% and the MLB average is around 13%.

In short, he's an aging pitcher with declining stuff. He should not be the closer on a team that has WS hopes.
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Or it’s just a run of bad luck evening out.
 
Carp said:
But his slider used to be his best pitch. Granted, his command of it was spotty at times, but the movement profile was elite.

The change-up has followed suit with reduced effectiveness (batters hitting .306 off it this year). My assumption is that the change-up played really well off his slider as his other off speed pitch. Now that he has abandoned the slider, the change is all he has left for an off-speed offering. Add to that, his FB has lost velocity. Although it's effectiveness has actually increased, but again I go back to the HR rate being abnormally low.

Basically, he is a FB/Sinker pitcher at this point, and he throws a decent change to keep batters from sitting on those 2 pitches. That isn't going to get it done as an elite closer. He can still be effective, but he's nowhere near an elite RP anymore. Maybe if he recaptures the slider, but at age 35 that seems unlikely.
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You don’t need more than 1 or 2 good pitches to be a good relief pitcher.
 
Carp said:
But his slider used to be his best pitch. Granted, his command of it was spotty at times, but the movement profile was elite.

The change-up has followed suit with reduced effectiveness (batters hitting .306 off it this year). My assumption is that the change-up played really well off his slider as his other off speed pitch. Now that he has abandoned the slider, the change is all he has left for an off-speed offering. Add to that, his FB has lost velocity. Although it's effectiveness has actually increased, but again I go back to the HR rate being abnormally low.

Basically, he is a FB/Sinker pitcher at this point, and he throws a decent change to keep batters from sitting on those 2 pitches. That isn't going to get it done as an elite closer. He can still be effective, but he's nowhere near an elite RP anymore. Maybe if he recaptures the slider, but at age 35 that seems unlikely.
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Still, I don't see any reason to not re-sign him as long as he's amicable to a reasonable contract. Most players are going to be searching for a minimum 2-year deal given the impending lockout, so something like a 2-year, $24M deal seems more than reasonable.
 
CyYoung31 said:
You don’t need more than 1 or 2 good pitches to be a good relief pitcher.
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Typically you need still need good off-speed pitches, or your FB needs to be elite. That's not what we're seeing with Iggy. He is living in the zone a lot more this season. That's not a great recipe.

Can he still be effective? Sure. But he's a run of the mill reliever without that slider.
 
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We have a lot of question marks going into the offseason with the pitching as a whole. Sale is fragile, Strider hopefully just needs rest, hopefully Schwellenbach doesn't have any reoccurring problem with the elbow fracture, Waldrep doesn't turn back into a pumpkin, and then Jimenez one and Lopez shoulder. I have no hope that Holmes resting his elbow will do anything. The rotation just needs another big arm in it and the bullpen needs 2-3.
 
I think most relievers have a bad month or three. Raisel is overall right where he always is. At the right number he’s a fine pen piece. Don’t understand the debate here
 
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