Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
You guys… don’t really think that’s what happened with Paul Pelosi, right? This is like a weird bit I’ve missed out on? There is video of the guy breaking into the house.
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It's turned into a bit of a bit now. But the whole fucking thing was weird, dude.
1. A broken window not triggering a security alarm of a heavily secured home, mega powerful people, mega rich people
2. Paul describing him as a friend to the cops (could certainly have been to deescalate)
3. The attacker not attacking him for the hour or so when he had the chance, instead waiting for the cops to arrive
4. Paul sipping a cocktail while being held hostage from his attacker
If you don't think all that is weird, power to you. But I suppose it's plausible that's exactly how it went down. I'm quite confident the local SF police would gladly alter the story for the Pelosi's though
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
I do criminal defense these days, and I am always looking for holes in a police narrative. While every case is weird, this one is not weird in a way that raises red flags making me think “this story doesn’t add up.”
(a) Pelosi did not tell the cops the guy was a friend—that is something the attacker said (and Pelosi denied) on the 911 call to try and get the police not to come,
(b) Crazy people often do things that defy rational explanation. Though there is an obvious explanation here: he didn’t attack Paul (until the cops were there and he thought “fuck it this is all I can do”) because it wasn’t his goal to attack Paul, he was there to get to Nancy, and he didn’t really have a coherent plan for what to do when she wasn’t there
(c) Rich, old people often do lazy/stupid things like not verifying that their security (Capitol Police handled security at the house, thus why there is video) is actually doing a good job, and law enforcement is often inept.
(a) Pelosi did not tell the cops the guy was a friend—that is something the attacker said (and Pelosi denied) on the 911 call to try and get the police not to come,
(b) Crazy people often do things that defy rational explanation. Though there is an obvious explanation here: he didn’t attack Paul (until the cops were there and he thought “fuck it this is all I can do”) because it wasn’t his goal to attack Paul, he was there to get to Nancy, and he didn’t really have a coherent plan for what to do when she wasn’t there
(c) Rich, old people often do lazy/stupid things like not verifying that their security (Capitol Police handled security at the house, thus why there is video) is actually doing a good job, and law enforcement is often inept.
sturg33
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And that may be the case.
But the story was weird to me for a such a major public figure
Obviously the videos released weeks after helped clarify a lot of things. Up until then, I dont think it was unreasonable to find the ordeal very strange
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I'll be the first to say it, I'll boycott Tyler Robinson.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I want to chime in and express my support of his prosecution and life imprisonment. But a boycott is a good place to start. It is a little early to fire up the fireplace but later today I'm burning all my Tyler Robinson merch.
sturg33
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Of course
MQT swears taht they are no more dangerous than any other demographic.
That is not what I said. What I said is as a demographic they do not pose a public safety risk because even the statistics you point to showing an increased incidence rate is still a fraction of 1%.
Pay attention, yes. Legislate their rights away, no.
I’m not remotely unaware of the percentage of trans people who have other mental health disorders. A depressed person on medications/hormones absolutely should be paid attention to. But the percentage of people of all genders who are so deeply unwell that they commit gruesome murders is immensely low, straight or trans. Once we start treating that tiny number as a representative sample of the population and enact liberty-depriving legislation amongst the whole group, it’s an abuse.
Yes, I’m not anti-2A. It’s not a cause I’m absolutely passionate about spending my time defending, but I support gun ownership. I think there are some steps that could be taken to better protect us from gun violence, but I don’t think the 2nd Amendment needs to be challenged.
I would, however, take away a person’s ability to possess a firearm for some set amount of time during the course of gender-affirming care and have the other factors like anxiety or depression and medications being taken as the reason. By all means we should scrutinize how mentally and emotionally healthy someone individually is before letting them buy a gun.