Little f, yeah. I think Trump and especially Miller embrace fascism to some degree but they’re not running a totalitarian regime. If they continue to run from the same illiberal, “the economy, justice and morality is what we tell you it is” playbook that the Dems used for the past few years, you can vote them out of office rather easily with a stronger opposition party. Maybe someone will do that.
Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
At the risk of being pedantic, my criticism of you and others has never incorporated the idea you should not be allowed to vote as you wish. The search engine on this site works plenty well. I look forward to corroboration of your implication.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think Miller and Trump do have an ideology. They fact that they also happen to be opportunistic morons does not rule that out. Nor does the fact that someone (like Trump) held a different ideology at a different time in his life.
acesfull86
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OK, I will use search function.
"Are allowed" was a poor choice of words. Let me rephrase to - can a true libertarian vote against Mandani, knowing full well his opponents are supported by Trump, or would that person fail your straddle test? As a reminder I was accused of doing "the straddle" when I disagreed with 57's typically ridiculous claim that not actively opposing Trump/Project 2025 negates any argument made by a libertarian regarding gov't overreach.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Just to clarify, my disrespecting a choice does not mean you and any one else should not be allowed to make that choice. I thought that didn't need to be stated. But apparently it does.
With respect to presidential elections, I'd say I've respected the choices people have made in every election I've been able to vote in (the first one being Carter versus Reagan). Even thile disagreeing with people who voted in a way different from me. The exceptions being the ones where Trump was on the ballot. I can't respect people who voted for him or who sat on the fence.
With respect to presidential elections, I'd say I've respected the choices people have made in every election I've been able to vote in (the first one being Carter versus Reagan). Even thile disagreeing with people who voted in a way different from me. The exceptions being the ones where Trump was on the ballot. I can't respect people who voted for him or who sat on the fence.
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acesfull86
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I think to the extent Trump has an ideology, it's "Trump first" (disguised as "America first"). On some days, on some issues, maybe that instinct will lead him to a position that overlaps with fascism. And on many other days, on many other issues, it won't.
Tapate50
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The lefts desire to have them killed
For as much desire as the entire left apparently has to kill Stephen Miller, I haven’t seen a lot of action as a result of Gavin Newsom simply calling him a fascist. I have, however, seen Donald Trump himself question whether Mamdani should be deported, which I’d argue is worse than calling Stephen Miller a name.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The only case I'm aware of where an elected official called for it happened in 2017.
Maria Chappelle-Nadal, a state senator in Missouri, in 2017 posted “I hope Trump is assassinated!” on Facebook, later deleted it, was removed from committee assignments, and apologized.
While discussion board posters don't need to be held to as high a standard, I have yet to see anyone apologize for saying that the attack on Pelosi was a gay love affair gone bad or amplifying the claim that Walz ordered a hit job on a legislator.
Maria Chappelle-Nadal, a state senator in Missouri, in 2017 posted “I hope Trump is assassinated!” on Facebook, later deleted it, was removed from committee assignments, and apologized.
While discussion board posters don't need to be held to as high a standard, I have yet to see anyone apologize for saying that the attack on Pelosi was a gay love affair gone bad or amplifying the claim that Walz ordered a hit job on a legislator.
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Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
I looked into studies linking homosexuality and childhood sexual anbuse after a distant relative announced that she was into girls. I found clear evidence of the link in an NIH study. Then I read further and found the disclaimer that obviously, obviously, the victims were not gay because of the abuse. No, these victims simply must have been picked for the abuse by predators with gaydar, targeted because even at early elementary ages the predators could somehow, impressively, sense that they were homosexual, and for some reason targeted them for abuse because of it.
Then I saw a debate between a UNC Christianity professor named Bart Ehrman and another Christianity scholar. Ehrman is a non believer and, I’m sure for totally unrelated reasons, a favorite expert of media production teams. The opposing scholar made a statement and Ehrman countered by saying that no serious biblical scholars believe that. His opponent then listed his numerous degrees and essentially said “I am a scholar based on these credentials.” Ehrman just shook his head.
During the pandemic my wife wanted to help when masks were required everywhere so we spent a decent chunk of money on fabric supplies that she used to make masks. She spent hundreds of hours making them and then dropped them off with churches, charities, and small businesses to give away for free. Then we later found out that the experts who encouraged those masks always knew they wouldn’t make a difference, and the people who were shouted down as conspiracy theorists and murderers for saying that had always been right.
When all of those incidents clicked together the effect was pretty radicalizing for me. I finally understood that being an expert isn’t about being smart, educated, or correct. It’s about sticking to the narrative.
Piss on the experts.
cajunrevenge
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Ok, I guess its time, masks worn correctly do lower your chances of getting Covid from someone. Cloth masks reduces risk 5% and surgical masks 12%. It was and always will be retarded to say masks worn correctly dont help.
I do agree about the "experts" though. For example arson investigations were complete bullshit until the late it's. They literally went in and just made shit up based on how they felt. Wouldn't admit that on the stand though. One man got the death penalty when Christmas decorations that were highly flammable caught fire and burned his house down with his daughters inside. The arson investigator said the burn marks on the floor looked like a Pentagram. That alone was enough to put this man to death. And when they finally admitted the arson investigation was all made up criminal charges were never even considered.
Beyond that the "expert" system for criminal cases is corrupt as hell. Experts who dont find what prosecutors want dont get paid so what do you think the "experts" do.
I do agree about the "experts" though. For example arson investigations were complete bullshit until the late it's. They literally went in and just made shit up based on how they felt. Wouldn't admit that on the stand though. One man got the death penalty when Christmas decorations that were highly flammable caught fire and burned his house down with his daughters inside. The arson investigator said the burn marks on the floor looked like a Pentagram. That alone was enough to put this man to death. And when they finally admitted the arson investigation was all made up criminal charges were never even considered.
Beyond that the "expert" system for criminal cases is corrupt as hell. Experts who dont find what prosecutors want dont get paid so what do you think the "experts" do.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
I would argue that Obama and Valerie Jarret went a long way to proving the accusations of Marxism correct with their purges and ideological weaponization of various levels of government. These labels are as old as time, but our government had never been used as a club against their political opposition like this before the reign of Obama and Jarret. I admit that Trump has been trying to do the same thing, but he’s been much more oafish about it and his purges will naturally be much more reported on. It’s pretty obvious he won’t even be able to return us to the pre Obama days of the federal government apparatus as a whole only leaning left, much less make it some far right bureaucracy.
If you think my point is that the experts are unencroachable, you misunderstand me.
The issue isn’t the skepticism of established science, it’s that they’re basing their new beliefs they intend to push on the public on less researched, less definitive links and studies. Less isn’t necessarily worse, but it’s not inherently better, and the federal government is practicing the same messaging strategy as the experts you’re pissing on. Donald Trump and RFK Jr. wanted a solution for autism, so Tylenol is now the hot topic of the day. Then they found evidence that Tylenol is not recommended for pregnant women and took a victory lap despite the fact that it had nothing to do with Autism. The links established in the study appear to have some questionable causation and the response of the government is just to push forward regardless and downplay the criticisms.
If you want to find a new set of experts, I understand that completely. But some of these replacement experts are not providing more thorough science, just science that comes to a conclusion that differs from the previous ones. Maybe spend some money digging in further instead of just declaring we’ve found a big cause of something and moving on.