Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect

I’ve known of several Chinese immigrant students. Every single one was a spy for their government and none became American citizens. Their children will not become Americans. They mock certain parts of American culture, like the universities knowingly taking in foreign spies to profit off of virtue signaling. If China beats us in the contest that has already been raging for decades, it will largely be because of those traitorous universities.
 
I am curious your, and everyone here, educational background ?

I'll go first,
finished 106 out of 110 in high school then got a VA funded AA degree graduating with honors (albeit a Jr. college)
enrolled to finish university. Turning 30 with a burgeoning family dropped out to work
and never looked back
 
Jaw said:
I’ve known of several Chinese immigrant students. Every single one was a spy for their government and none became American citizens. Their children will not become Americans. They mock certain parts of American culture, like the universities knowingly taking in foreign spies to profit off of virtue signaling. If China beats us in the contest that has already been raging for decades, it will largely be because of those traitorous universities.
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Absolute traitors - they know what they’re doing too but they agree with the ccp model.
 
nsacpi said:
I also have quite a few colleagues in my department who are immigrants. None are agents for China or anyone else. Almost all have become American citizens. The one exception probably will at some point.. Their children are Americans. But they reject certain aspects of American culture (mostly having to do with insufficient emphasis on the importance of education). And their children will be better off for that. Children of immigrants do well. Children of immigrant academics are rock stars. If we best China in the contest that looms before us it will largely be because of those children of immigrants. It won't be because of anti-intellectual old stock Americans with their grievances about the unfairness of it all.
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This mirrors my experience as well.

I have had dozens of fantastic colleagues who are green card holders - several of whom got their US citizenship. Hardworking, pay taxes and have American children. We need more of these types of immigrants not less.

From a policy perspective I do understand the H1-B has been abused and not all experiences match my own. But I think the system requires tweaks not an overhaul. I think Trump’s H1-B fee is a step in the right direction if implemented well.
 
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chop2chip said:
This mirrors my experience as well.

I have had dozens of fantastic colleagues who are green card holders - several of whom got their US citizenship. Hardworking, pay taxes and have American children. We need more of these types of immigrants not less.

From a policy perspective I do understand the H1-B has been abused and not all experiences match my own. But I think the system requires tweaks not an overhaul. I think Trump’s H1-B fee is a step in the right direction if implemented well.
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All of the people you discuss would be included in a competitive merit based program.

Its always the underbelly that makes immigration untenable.
 
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Hasn’t legal immigrants become a target of MAGA recently?

Thethe attacked me the other day because I said I liked my coworker from Morocco
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"Attacked" is very strong.

But you again are using your own experience to cloud the overall evaluation process and thats ok. Its the L in you.....
 
And yes - 'legal' immigration, or really the modern inclusionary set of 'legal', absolutely needs to be thrown in the garbage and reformed.
 
chop2chip said:
Hasn’t legal immigrants become a target of MAGA recently?

Thethe attacked me the other day because I said I liked my coworker from Morocco
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I hope not. Drawing in the best and brightest from elsewhere should remain the goal. In my mind one of the goals of curbing illegal immigration and asylum abuse is to increase legal, merit based, immigration. I also think we should focus on more legal immigration from Central and South America due to cultural overlaps. The US is and should remain much more similar to those cultures than to Europe, Asia, or Africa.
 
thethe said:
"Attacked" is very strong.

But you again are using your own experience to cloud the overall evaluation process and thats ok. Its the L in you.....
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People should let personal experience inform their world view. The perks of touching grass.

But I think we’d fine more in common than not here. High quality legal immigrants rock. Low quality illegal immigrants less so.
 
chop2chip said:
People should let personal experience inform their world view. The perks of touching grass.

But I think we’d fine more in common than not here. High quality legal immigrants rock. Low quality illegal immigrants less so.
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Low quality 'legal' do not rock as well. Thats where I hope we don't start to have differences.
 
It’s just like drafting players for a pro team. Find the ones with the skills and abilities that will benefit the country. We have a surplus of BA types and a shortage of BS types. The resulting decisions should be obvious.
 
chop2chip said:
People should let personal experience inform their world view. The perks of touching grass.

But I think we’d fine more in common than not here. High quality legal immigrants rock. Low quality illegal immigrants less so.
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Not taking you to task over what is essentially you pushing my own side of this debate, but I think the framing here muddies the waters a bit when it comes to differentiating between people who pro-immigration folks support and who anti-immigration folks demonize. Quality is subjective to begin with, but to many people there are a lot of illegal immigrants who are high quality people that rock and legal immigrants who don’t rock.

At least in my opinion, one of the reasons we have the divide we have on immigration is that many fail to distinguish between individuals within those groups and we end up with blanket statements like illegals are coming to push drugs and do crime, or every immigrant belongs, when neither is really the case. If we didn’t take a hardline in either direction on legal status and took into account the totality of someone’s contributions since arriving in this country, I think we could find more common ground on solutions. A legal resident who commits a heinous crime should be deported, and I think an illegal immigrant who has been here for 20 years working and contributing should have a place. I’d favor a robust legal immigration process to provide opportunities for people across the spectrum coupled with the enforcement of deportations for those who are not contributing. The reason I take issue with how it’s being done today is because the process for coming here legally is so arduous.
 
Legal immigrants go through a screening process to assess their ability to contribute to this country. Illegal immigrants by definition do not. The illegal immigrants (many of whom are wonderful people I’m sure) are not welcome to skip the line.

Maybe at some point the future we can open up immigration process for folks across the talent spectrum. At the moment we are heavily indexed at the bottom of the spectrum due to years of poor immigration enforcement. I abhor the anti-immigration rhetoric from MAGA, but at least they are taking actions to address the problem. Democrats seem confused on both the rhetoric and action fronts of the immigration debate.
 
Why shouldn’t it be arduous though? Why should it be easier to immigrate to the US than to Canada for example? In the US there is already a long term housing shortage, the social safety net is immensely expensive, there are many types of workers that are already in surplus to the market needs, and there is plenty of danger in bringing in people who are not rigorously vetted. Making immigration less controlled exacerbates all of those problems. None us walk through a supermarket waiting for people to toss things into our cart. We grab what we need or want that we don’t already have enough of at home.
 
mqt said:
A legal resident who commits a heinous crime should be deported, and I think an illegal immigrant who has been here for 20 years working and contributing should have a place.
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This is fine in theory but in practice every time a Republican administration attempts to deport an illegal immigrant for committing a crime there is screeching from the left side of the chamber (e.g. Maryland father)
 
chop2chip said:
This is fine in theory but in practice every time a Republican administration attempts to deport an illegal immigrant for committing a crime there is screeching from the left side of the chamber (e.g. Maryland father)
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I’m not excusing the left of their inability to compromise on the subject. My only objections to the Maryland father is that the government has created an entire propaganda campaign around him to cover up the fact that they illegally sent a dude to forever prison in El Salvador over a Bulls hat and tattoos. They’re welcome to deport him, though and I agree the left has to grapple with that fact.
 
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