Real Talk - the 19th

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Alright folks - I've often been mocked or ridiculed for my suggestion that the 19th amendment was a mistake. I'm going to make 3 posts covering 3 different points explaining my rational. I'd welcome the arguments back, beyond "it's an adult American and that is it." Let's debate the merit of my argument and go from there. That's what these boards are for, no?

Post #1 - Societal Skin in the Game
Let's start with society itself and why men deserve a larger voice in the political policies we live by.

For starters, there is no functioning, peaceful, prosperous society without men.

A woman named Allison sits in the comfort of her own home that was built by men. The heating and air conditioning functions because of men. The electricity giving light and power is produced by men. The hot shower pumping clean water she enjoys is produced by men. The sewers transporting her shit are manned by men. Her garbage is collected, hauled away, and disposed of by men.

She decides to go shopping. She hops in her car that was manufactured and designed by men, driving on a road built by men. The gas needed to run it is drilled and refined by men.

She gets to the mall - a building that was built by men. She decides she wants a new cute autumn sweater, which was loaded on a ship in China by men. The ship, of course, designed, manufactured, and built by men. The energy required to send it across the pacific was drilled and refined by men. When it arrives State side, men unload the ship, men load up the trucks (built by men), men drive the trucks across the country on the interstates buildt by men. The trucks get unloaded by men, and stocked on the shelves at the mall by men.

She buys the new autumn sweater. It looks great. And just for shits and giggles, she powers up her iPhone - built by men of course - and posts to Instagram - also built by men.

Now she's hungry. Time for dinner. She orders a chicken salad. You guessed it... all the food on that plate produced by men. The chicken was raised, slaughtered, cleaned, and prepared by men. The vegetables in her salad were planted, grown, harvested, and transported by men.

She decides to take a nice stroll in the evening through the city. She can do so peacefully and without fear, because she knows that there are men with guns to protect her. Society hired men to enforce our laws, and they do a pretty good job of doing so. Allison can enjoy her freedom.

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All this is to say. There is no blaming of Allison for any of the above. She is an important member of our society for many reasons. But the essentials of her everyday life - literally all of them - happened because men made them happen. But if tomorrow, men decided to collectively skip work, society would collapse almost instantly. There would be rampant crime, food shortages, and fuel shortages. Water would stop flowing, sewage would stop working, and it would get worse and worse with each passing day.

If tomorrow, women decided to collectively skip work, it would be very disruptive. But the gas pumps would have gas. The grocery stores would have food. There would be power. The things we rely on every day would still be functioning.

Conclusion - a demographic that cannot keep society functioning should not hold as much political power as a demographic who completely keeps it functioning.

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Our next post will revolve around education, interests, and understanding.
 
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Post #2: Education, Interest, & Understanding

Personal story time. I have a tight knit group of 7 friends/families (8 including me). We are all married, all very successful in career and wealth accumulation, all married and have at least 1 child. All college+ educated.

The men in this group fall 7/1 in terms of conservative/liberal. 6 of them voted for Trump. I didn't because I don't vote for liberals. The wives fall 7/1 liberal/conservative. My wife being the only holdout.

We get together once per year. Every other year is a men's only trip / women's only trip. Every other year is a trip where we all converge with our children.

Last year the men went on a white water rafting trip. The women went to the Taylor Swift concert in London. This year, we rented a beach house in Outer Banks.

On the rafting trip, we had a blast. And during the evenings, as the cigars were being smoked, and the bourbon was flowing, we'd get into many conversations about deeper stuff. Specifically politics, the rise of AI, business opportunities, and religion/atheism conversations. We'd talk the election, the tariffs threats, the federal reserve funds rate, the border crisis, inflation impacts, should we be involved in Russia/Israel conflicts... when did the universe start? the Big Bang makes no sense! No, it's the only thing evidence supports!

When my wife returned from London I'd ask how the trip went. So much fun. What'd you talk about? "Oh you know, so and so is dating someone... Travis Kelce thing seems not real... Shannon is thinking about quitting bc Mike is doing so well... who from our group is going down the lip filler & botox rabbit hole.".

This year at the beach... something may come up politically about ICE or whatever. "Fuck Trump!" says a tipsy wife. When pushed... "he's just a racist!." Now the men want to engage, "well let's talk about it." One of the lead women shut that down "NO! WE AREN'T TALKING POLITICS... nobody cares."

I say the rambling above because I think it's reflective of the dynamic between the two sexes. Men are interested in debating, discussing nuance, understanding the why behind important things. Women don't want to be bothered with that. It's not interesting. It might cause controversy. Let's just move on and discuss the latest grammy awards controversy. This board is mostly men. Twitter is mostly men. Reddit is mostly men. Men want to discuss and learn. Women want to go to Instagram.

The wake up call to me here is that this is a group of 16 people. Where I know 8 are highly curious, at least somewhat educated on multiple political topics, and tend to vote for the right. On the flip side, I know the other 8 are not curious at all about these topics, aren't interested in discussing something that doesn't confirm their priors, and tend to for the left.

This is problematic. One group of informed individuals are completely offset by one group of disinterested individuals. And mind you, these are married white women - who are most likely to be persuaded to conservative ideals. This problem only gets worse for the childless unmarried.

I've tried to engage these highly educated, highly successful women on their political views. And I kid you not, their support for the left boils down to essentially one of three things:

1. They want abortion rights
2. Compassionate. They're not a racist or bigots... those are on the right
3. Girl power. Feminism is not aligned to the right

This level of superficial thinking is making progress impossible. They aren't interested in debating, because even doing so would be giving oxygen to racists and abortion deniers. Women are hive creatures. It's evolutionary that they are for protection. That is true socially as well. They would rather be aligned to the mainstream majority position than the truth, because aligned with mainstream majority is safe

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My wife is an Ivy League educated, double major in Biology and economics, medical doctor. She couldn't give two shits about the federal funds rate or what 10 year treasury bills are selling for. And that's totally OK! I don't want her spending her time on wonky policy. I want her watching some stupid reality show she enjoys and to go buy that autumn sweater and enjoy the Taylor Swift show. Talking politics is boring and stressful for her and her group. Talking politics is entertaining and interesting for the men.

Women simply do not desire to go deeper on a single topic, let alone dozens of topics. Their emotions override their logical thinking. "Trump is a racist! I can't vote for a racist!" Their empathy makes it impossible to do what is necessary to move society forward. "This black kid raped a young girl... but he grew up poor and the system was against him and we should give him another chance!"

These are attributes that make women amazing in many parts of the world. Including raising children, healthcare, services, etc. My wife is a wonderful mom to my daughter, and there is nothing more important than that to me. All of these women in this group are amazing mothers. And that's why I want to see their progress through and protect their children politically from their ignorance

Conclusion - a demographic that is completely uninterested in learning about things that affect all of society should not be the majority voting demographic which decides policy that affects all of society. See: NYC mayoral race

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Our next post will be about the dangers of the political divergence between men and women, and how voting is a peaceful proxy for war
 
I see the issue specifically the susceptibility to propaganda. As a man with a girl on the way I just can’t support stripping her of the same rights as my son.

There are evil forces conspiring to divide men and women and we have to be strong enough to protect them and crush those seeking to divide.
 
thethe said:
I see the issue specifically the susceptibility to propaganda. As a man with a girl on the way I just can’t support stripping her of the same rights as my son.

There are evil forces conspiring to divide men and women and we have to be strong enough to protect them and crush those seeking to divide.
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Trust me. I have a daughter. She is everything to me.

Her future is worse off with uninformed people voting
 
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thethe said:
I see the issue specifically the susceptibility to propaganda. As a man with a girl on the way I just can’t support stripping her of the same rights as my son.

There are evil forces conspiring to divide men and women and we have to be strong enough to protect them and crush those seeking to divide.
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Also - your son will be asked to build, maintain, and protect society. He's 2x more likely to be a tax payer. His future should be in his hands
 
I'm open to arguments beyond "if you're alive, you have a say in societal outcomes"

The founders of this country disagreed. And they were smart peeps
 
My wife has a very take charge personality. She runs the house schedule, knows the teachers, makes sure the bills are paid, etc. She’s better suited to all of that than I am. She’s very smart, has a business degree from UNC, and turned down a national management position in her first career to stay home with our kids.

She agrees with you for essentially the same reasons you stated. Her view is that men are more logical and should deal with most of the stuff outside of the home, women are more empathetic and should deal with most of the stuff inside the home.

She’s also one of the few women I know who doesn’t think women should be pastors or politicians, and thinks polygamy makes sense because the wives would lives would be better if they had other wives helping them. She does not like Trump but has voted for him three times. She typically just asks me who she should vote for and does that.
 
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