zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I would hope he likes him if he blew him.
Lolita Express is finally arrested.
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That’s not of concern to you of all people?
I’m making fun of your claim that *we* went silent on Epstein this week.
My stance isn’t that there’s information floating out there to criminally implicate Trump and honestly I didn’t think the files would reflect poorly on him until he convinced me otherwise with his insane about-face on it this year.
Thoughts on Elon then?
Follow up: if it was known by the Biden DOJ that Elon is in the files requesting to party with Epstein and they’d take any opportunity to win in ‘24 using the information if they had it, why wouldn’t they have used that to damage him during the campaign?
striker42
Well-known member
Anyone wondering why the Biden administration didn't do anything with the Epstein files needs to understand that pedophila is bipartisan. Plenty of people on both sides of the aisle and plenty of their billionaire supporters have reason to want the Epstein drama to go away.
Even now when the Justice Department is clearly not being exactly compliant with the law you're not getting as much push back as you would otherwise expect.
The one consistent thread in this has been a lot of effort to make it go away.
Even now when the Justice Department is clearly not being exactly compliant with the law you're not getting as much push back as you would otherwise expect.
The one consistent thread in this has been a lot of effort to make it go away.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I hope to see the Clintons testifying publicly. And would like to see others as well, including Ghislaine Maxwell, Les Wexler, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, Leon Black, Jes Staley, Larry Summers, Allen Dershowitz and Donald Trump.
I know this will be uncomfortable for them. But that's part of the idea.
And if any of the victims would like to testify in public, that would be welcomed.
While short of full criminal justice, public hearings would be a form of accountability.
I know this will be uncomfortable for them. But that's part of the idea.
And if any of the victims would like to testify in public, that would be welcomed.
While short of full criminal justice, public hearings would be a form of accountability.
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Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
“Victims” is hard to define though. Is it people who have some evidence of being trafficked? Is it people who called the anonymous tip line? Is it a pile of Christine Blasey Fords making new accusations decades after the fact with zero chance of verification during a politically inconvenient time for the accused?
It’s unfortunate that so many people, who seem to be deeply partisan, have cried wolf for what seem to be political reasons. It taints the reputation of anyone else in similar circumstances.
It’s unfortunate that so many people, who seem to be deeply partisan, have cried wolf for what seem to be political reasons. It taints the reputation of anyone else in similar circumstances.
Lots of those exchanges between women and Epstein did seemed like the women were eagerly participating also.
That could be do to grooming which is about as bad as underage nonsense as well. But it does seem like there was more consensual activity than we were previously led to believe
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
There is an article in the Miami Herald today by Julie Brown with quite a bit of detail about crimes, criminals and victims in the FBI files. I think people (such as Larry Summers) who have chosen public lives should also be held accountable even if their actions fall short of prosecutable crimes. This is the court of public opinion. Might does not make right. Nor does the fact that the victims may not have led exemplary lives or come from privileged backgrounds make them any less the victims of these criminals.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
"Consensual activity" with a 16 year old is not consensual activity. As least not according to the standards we have evolved as a society. Those standards are the reasons Roman Polanski has avoided setting foot in this country since fleeing in 1978.
I don’t know that this is a road you want to go down, Chief. This is a common problem with sex-trafficking to begin with. They don’t just lock girls in a dungeon and take them out to be assaulted. The grooming is a key component and consent is manufactured. A lot of the victims are taught to blame themselves for the crimes committed against them.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
There are numerous ways to look foolish and creepy in the Epstein files, the worst of which is obviously emails like the one Peter Attia wrote to Mr. Epstein in 2016, eight years after Mr. Epstein became a registered sex offender: “Pussy is, indeed, low-carb. Still awaiting results on gluten content, though.” Everyone has surely by now seen the photo of the erstwhile Prince Andrew with his arm around a 17-year-old Virginia Giuffre. There’s also a photo of Bill Clinton in a hot tub.
There are other, seemingly more innocuous, emails that are somehow just as damning, because they show a world where it’s fine to bring your children to the island of a registered sex offender. In 2012, the wife of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick wrote to Mr. Epstein’s assistant Lesley Groff, “We will be coming from Caneel Bay in the morning,” bringing “two families each with four kids ranging in age from 7-16! Six boys and two girls. I hope that’s OK.” Later, Mr. Lutnick lied about his association with Mr. Epstein, saying he was so “disgusted” by Mr. Epstein in 2005 that he had no more contact. In 2017, Mr. Epstein donated $50,000 in honor of Mr. Lutnick to an unknown organization.
In 2016, Brad Karp, the chair of Paul Weiss, the fanciest law firm in New York and one of the first to settle with the Trump administration, wrote to Mr. Epstein, “Can I raise a personal issue with you concerning my son David?” He went on, “He would love to work, in any capacity, with Woody on his upcoming film project, if that’s a possibility. He certainly doesn’t need to be paid and he’s a really good, talented kid.” A parent asking a friend for a job for their kid is hardly illegal. But it’s interesting that Mr. Karp’s law firm was one of the first to make a deal with the administration of another person who appears thousands of times in the Epstein files, Donald Trump.
And what does Mr. Trump have to do with it? He’d promised to rid America of exactly the sort of self-dealing global elite that Mr. Epstein was in the middle of. “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it,” Mr. Trump said in his 2016 speech accepting the Republican presidential nomination. It was a message that resonated, and when you watch the speech again as I did the other day, the enthusiasm of the crowd is striking. Finally, someone was letting the American people know the terrible secret that no matter how hard one worked, no matter how smart one was, there was no getting ahead in America circa 2016. It wasn’t their fault. It was the fault of the elites. Around this time, we saw the rise of QAnon, a conspiracy theory that claimed that a sex-trafficking ring was being run by elites out of the nonexistent basement of a pizza shop.
QAnon sounded crazy to the rest of us at the time — and it’s still crazy — but the Epstein files show it had parallels in reality.
There are many terrible secrets buried in the Epstein files, which mix the mundane and the horrific, the thirsty and the criminal, and perhaps that’s the most upsetting part of all of this. Casually wrapped up together with a bow are canceled men and sex trafficking and media advice from Michael Wolff. Being a convicted sex offender did not make Mr. Epstein an outcast, not when he seemed to have something to offer. His transactional amorality actually seemed to add to his appeal to people who were convinced that the rules didn’t apply to them.
There are other, seemingly more innocuous, emails that are somehow just as damning, because they show a world where it’s fine to bring your children to the island of a registered sex offender. In 2012, the wife of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick wrote to Mr. Epstein’s assistant Lesley Groff, “We will be coming from Caneel Bay in the morning,” bringing “two families each with four kids ranging in age from 7-16! Six boys and two girls. I hope that’s OK.” Later, Mr. Lutnick lied about his association with Mr. Epstein, saying he was so “disgusted” by Mr. Epstein in 2005 that he had no more contact. In 2017, Mr. Epstein donated $50,000 in honor of Mr. Lutnick to an unknown organization.
In 2016, Brad Karp, the chair of Paul Weiss, the fanciest law firm in New York and one of the first to settle with the Trump administration, wrote to Mr. Epstein, “Can I raise a personal issue with you concerning my son David?” He went on, “He would love to work, in any capacity, with Woody on his upcoming film project, if that’s a possibility. He certainly doesn’t need to be paid and he’s a really good, talented kid.” A parent asking a friend for a job for their kid is hardly illegal. But it’s interesting that Mr. Karp’s law firm was one of the first to make a deal with the administration of another person who appears thousands of times in the Epstein files, Donald Trump.
And what does Mr. Trump have to do with it? He’d promised to rid America of exactly the sort of self-dealing global elite that Mr. Epstein was in the middle of. “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it,” Mr. Trump said in his 2016 speech accepting the Republican presidential nomination. It was a message that resonated, and when you watch the speech again as I did the other day, the enthusiasm of the crowd is striking. Finally, someone was letting the American people know the terrible secret that no matter how hard one worked, no matter how smart one was, there was no getting ahead in America circa 2016. It wasn’t their fault. It was the fault of the elites. Around this time, we saw the rise of QAnon, a conspiracy theory that claimed that a sex-trafficking ring was being run by elites out of the nonexistent basement of a pizza shop.
QAnon sounded crazy to the rest of us at the time — and it’s still crazy — but the Epstein files show it had parallels in reality.
There are many terrible secrets buried in the Epstein files, which mix the mundane and the horrific, the thirsty and the criminal, and perhaps that’s the most upsetting part of all of this. Casually wrapped up together with a bow are canceled men and sex trafficking and media advice from Michael Wolff. Being a convicted sex offender did not make Mr. Epstein an outcast, not when he seemed to have something to offer. His transactional amorality actually seemed to add to his appeal to people who were convinced that the rules didn’t apply to them.
Yeah not talking about the kids - I qualified that completely.