Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

mqt said:
I would not have allowed fraud to go unchecked.

But SNAP and Medicaid programs actually cost money… all the needless bombing should be easily cut off. There is no purpose to it other than bombing Iran.
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You do allow fraud to go unchecked because you continue to vote for the people who are allowing the fraud to go unchecked
 
and you passive aggressively allow people to drop millions if not billions of dollars, " unchecked " for reasons they cant make clear. Enriching donors, ---- if not themselves
Funny in these "unchecked " claims, no one here ever brings up Jared Kushner

Let's be clear, if there is fraud we have mechanisms to deal with that.
Unless of course it is certain people found guilty of 34 of 34 charges by a jury of his peers.
Nothing ever mentioned of that.
That is curious, not on the guilty party so much as the passive aggressive keyboard warriors.
Yeah, curious is a good word
 
57Brave said:
and you passive aggressively allow people to drop millions if not billions of dollars, " unchecked " for reasons they cant make clear. Enriching donors, ---- if not themselves
Funny in these "unchecked " claims, no one here ever brings up Jared Kushner

Let's be clear, if there is fraud we have mechanisms to deal with that.
Unless of course it is certain people found guilty of 34 of 34 charges by a jury of his peers.
Nothing ever mentioned of that.
That is curious, not on the guilty party so much as the passive aggressive keyboard warriors.
Yeah, curious is a good word
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Yall keep saying we have mechanisms to deal with fraud but nothing is being done about it

Its either the most gross incompetence in world history or outright fraud. When will you hold your party accounable?
 
sturg33 said:
I don't need you to vote for republicans but I can't understand how you find dems less appalling enough to vote for them
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Worth noting again that I have never voted for any of the local or state Dems that have ever drawn your ire. While the two-party system all but assures us of a binary outcome, there are candidates I won’t vote for and I’m much more open to voting off-ticket in elections closer to home.

But when it comes to Presidential and Senate races, there’s very little nuance. The bases will largely back the shittiest humans to walk this Earth, and we’re just along for the ride. As such, I’m personally quite fine with my vote for Kamala Harris given the shitshow we’ve seen play out with Trump getting Mike Johnson to roll all the way over for him.
 
sturg33 said:
Yall keep saying we have mechanisms to deal with fraud but nothing is being done about it

Its either the most gross incompetence in world history or outright fraud. When will you hold your party accounable?
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i can point to a case that was tried where 34 of the 34 counts were found to be guilty.
We could pont to white collar fraud every day that slips through the cracks.
Jared Kushner getting billions from Saudis, or the Trump Brothers investments in drones etc etc etc
To my understanding fraud - by legal definition - is very very hard to prove.
Unless we are playing clue and Colonel Mustard ... blah blah blah.

What is your definition of fraud ?
Not an alleged example but, your definition.

in your own words please
 
57Brave said:
i can point to a case that was tried where 34 of the 34 counts were found to be guilty.
We could pont to white collar fraud every day that slips through the cracks.
Jared Kushner getting billions from Saudis, or the Trump Brothers investments in drones etc etc etc
To my understanding fraud - by legal definition - is very very hard to prove.
Unless we are playing clue and Colonel Mustard ... blah blah blah.

What is your definition of fraud ?
Not an alleged example but, your definition.

in your own words please
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goodness you are exhausting. Trump was tried and convicted for his 34 crimes id bet you couldn't name 2 of

We have state and local governments spending billions on causes they never improve. foreigners are scamming programs designed for needy poor people you portend to care about. why aren't YOU mr. bleeding heart liberal 57 outraged that medicare and medicaid funding is being stolen by people driving $100k cars? Why are you pissed off that NY and California citizens agree to social programs to help reduce homeless,, triple what they give over 5 years, and see not a single reduction in homelessness - instead, a rapid increase?

Don't you care about these causes? Don't you want medicare funding going to old people who desperately need health care? Don't you want homeless funding going to reduce homeless? Don't you want medicaid funding going to hungry people?

Why isn't 57 at the front of the line?
 
mqt said:
Worth noting again that I have never voted for any of the local or state Dems that have ever drawn your ire. While the two-party system all but assures us of a binary outcome, there are candidates I won’t vote for and I’m much more open to voting off-ticket in elections closer to home.

But when it comes to Presidential and Senate races, there’s very little nuance. The bases will largely back the shittiest humans to walk this Earth, and we’re just along for the ride. As such, I’m personally quite fine with my vote for Kamala Harris given the shitshow we’ve seen play out with Trump getting Mike Johnson to roll all the way over for him.
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You've said you wouldn't vote for Gavin Newsom. I see no discernible policy preference between Kamala and Gavin... in fact, I think Gavin is a bit less progressive
 
sturg33 said:
goodness you are exhausting. Trump was tried and convicted for his 34 crimes id bet you couldn't name 2 of

We have state and local governments spending billions on causes they never improve. foreigners are scamming programs designed for needy poor people you portend to care about. why aren't YOU mr. bleeding heart liberal 57 outraged that medicare and medicaid funding is being stolen by people driving $100k cars? Why are you pissed off that NY and California citizens agree to social programs to help reduce homeless,, triple what they give over 5 years, and see not a single reduction in homelessness - instead, a rapid increase?

Don't you care about these causes? Don't you want medicare funding going to old people who desperately need health care? Don't you want homeless funding going to reduce homeless? Don't you want medicaid funding going to hungry people?

Why isn't 57 at the front of the line?
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What crimes ?
Fraud must meet a legal standard.
Should the standard be redefined ?
Perhaps. No , probably
I too have read Abundance

As it is today, what specific crimes are you talking about ?
You appear to use " fraud" as a blanket charge.

Otherwise I am reminded of " Welfare queens in Cadilacs "
Or the Willie Horton campaigns of old.

Lots of hints, lots of allegations, But. fraud ?
By definition ?
not so sure ------ that has to be proven
 
Yes it hasnt been proven bc the government is enabling it. The random citizen investigating it is getting maligned by the democratic party and media for doing so

If its not fraud, its the grosest incompetence i can imagine.

Ypure ok with one or the other. Im not. I want medicare going to old people who need health care. You apparently want it going to otherwise non needy people at all
 
any prosecutor i have ever seen or heard of loves - winning
if as you say it is blatant " fraud " i dont understand why they arent in court
 
chop2chip said:
It sounds like we agree we have a leak. Given that Do you think we should increase or decrease the flow from the faucet?
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depends on what either looks like

there used to be similar conversations over "welfare"
the choices coming from the group pols was either keep it as it is or scrap the whole thing

because neither side wants to give an inch for fear giving an inch turns into a mile.
see the conversations around "Save America Act "
ACA or any other issue that needs obvious tweeking
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Historical context, we can look before the Civil War and the 60-70 years of back and forth over slavery
It is just our deliberative system .
Health Care conversations have been ongoing since after the Civil War.
Culminating in the in my opinion flawed ACA.
But, ACA, like half a loaf is better than no loaf
Any compromises involving corruption seem to follow the same pattern
 
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Wonderful. That was 10 years ago for a scam involving $4M.

it also happens to be the criminals were white.

what are we doing about the BILLIONS happening today?
 
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