sturg33
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the framing of the OP is that adopting is let ethical than killing. You are free to simply say that is incredibly evil rather than going to play more defense
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zitothebrave
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Nope, you're framing it that way because of your personal bias.
sturg33
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"Forcing birth only to put them in adoption is WAY MORE UNETHICAL than having an abortion"
I guess we just live in two different english language understanding
Actually, kind of. Not really a different language, but different tenses. Just as nobody would tell an adopted person they should have been aborted, nobody will tell the tenth child of a dysfunctional family that they shouldn’t have been born. However, if you were to ask someone if they think some idiot with 9 kids they can’t take care of should have a tenth, they might reasonably say it’d be wrong.
I respect the pro-life position more than many might expect, but if you see a zygote/fetus as a future person whose life is being extinguished, that is a bias that informs your opinion on this take. If you see it instead as a clump of cells inside a person, you won’t necessarily have the same reaction to it. Your personal belief regarding the conception of life is informing your opinion here.
For the record, I did find the OP to be dumb anyway. I don’t think there’s any compelling ethical argument to support abortion over putting a child up for adoption, and even if we grant the OP is talking about the state forcing a woman to bring an unwanted child to term, any question of ethical harm in that would be toward the mother in my view, not the unborn child.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
No she said only to dump them. The implication is that the child is not wanted and putting everyone through the trauma of birth and rejection is a different kind of negative than an abortion before the fetus can register anything.
But that in itself is not inherently unethical, even if you don’t object morally to abortion. Is it unethical for a loving set of adoptive parents to have a chance to raise that baby? I agree the comic Sturg posted was dumb too, but it doesn’t absolve the OP of their weirdly cynical view of adoption.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You're assuming the child is adopted by a loving family.
Foster Care and Adoption Statistics – AFCARS 2025 Update
AFCARS: Foster Care and Adoption Statistics for the fiscal year 2024. This article provides a brief review of notable figures and key insights from the report.
adoptioncouncil.org
In FY 2024, while 46,935 children were adopted from foster care, 34,817 children remained in foster care despite being both legally free for adoption and having a primary permanency plan of adoption.
So you could be condemning the child you give up to adoption to a life in the foster care system.
She never mentioned the child being adopted by a loving family. She said "dropped off for adoption" or something close to that. Which could be any number of things.
sturg33
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If you were sentenced to the foster care system as a child, knowing what you know, would you have killed yourself?You're assuming the child is adopted by a loving family.
Foster Care and Adoption Statistics – AFCARS 2025 Update
AFCARS: Foster Care and Adoption Statistics for the fiscal year 2024. This article provides a brief review of notable figures and key insights from the report.
In FY 2024, while 46,935 children were adopted from foster care, 34,817 children remained in foster care despite being both legally free for adoption and having a primary permanency plan of adoption.
So you could be condemning the child you give up to adoption to a life in the foster care system.
She never mentioned the child being adopted by a loving family. She said "dropped off for adoption" or something close to that. Which could be any number of things.
I’m aware of the issues. There’s still a difference between something potentially having a bad outcome and something being unethical.You're assuming the child is adopted by a loving family.
Foster Care and Adoption Statistics – AFCARS 2025 Update
AFCARS: Foster Care and Adoption Statistics for the fiscal year 2024. This article provides a brief review of notable figures and key insights from the report.
In FY 2024, while 46,935 children were adopted from foster care, 34,817 children remained in foster care despite being both legally free for adoption and having a primary permanency plan of adoption.
So you could be condemning the child you give up to adoption to a life in the foster care system.
She never mentioned the child being adopted by a loving family. She said "dropped off for adoption" or something close to that. Which could be any number of things.