GDT: Tigers @ Braves 4/29 : Ritchie Rich Time

Metaphysicist said:
I really struggle to assume that someone who breaks out 3-4 years after we traded them would have broken out with us and been the same player if they stayed. Langeliers is pretty dang good now, but he has been developed by the A’s for five years. It seems wrong to assume that has no bearing on the player he became.
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Braves certainly shouldn't be assumed to develop a catcher
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I think added lango is fair...but I also think Olson starts to separate the nest few years to help balance..

I will say I didnt see lango developing into this hitting beast
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Eh… the trade wasn’t Freeman + Langeliers for Olson. No need to put a thumb on the scale


If we’re doing the whole trade machine thing, then might as well factor in $ per WAR which puts an even bigger distance between Olson and FF
 
chop2chip said:
Eh… the trade wasn’t Freeman + Langeliers for Olson. No need to put a thumb on the scale


If we’re doing the whole trade machine thing, then might as well factor in $ per WAR which puts an even bigger distance between Olson and FF
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Huh? FF was money only. Olson was money and trade (langeliers+)
 
chop2chip said:
For the 1000000x time

FF took less money from the dodgers than the Braves offered.

He chose to leave
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...And then cried like a biatch causing the Kershaw to remind him he was a Dodgerlol

With how everything played out, I also totally get what some of y'all have said, and I think I'm there now myself, where I'm more than happy with Matt Olson, not just because of his production, but because he actually wanted to be herelol
 
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chop2chip said:
For the 1000000x time

FF took less money from the dodgers than the Braves offered.

He chose to leave
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This is incorrect. On a per year basis, sure that is true. And maybe if you factor in cost of living and deferrals it helps that argument. But the total amount of the contract was most certainly not less than the Braves offered. And that was ultimately the sticking point. The Braves only wanted to do 5 years, while Freddie wanted 6. If the Braves offered Freddie that 8/168 that they offered Olson, Freddie would almost certainly be on this team right now.

Also let's remember that the Dodgers had no one to bid against. Freddie lost all negotiating leverage once we traded for Olson. And yet he still was able to grab a larger contract than what we were offering.
 
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Carp said:
This is incorrect. On a per year basis, sure that is true. And maybe if you factor in cost of living and deferrals it helps that argument. But the total amount of the contract was most certainly not less than the Braves offered. And that was ultimately the sticking point. The Braves only wanted to do 5 years, while Freddie wanted 6. If the Braves offered Freddie that 8/168 that they offered Olson, Freddie would almost certainly be on this team right now.

Also let's remember that the Dodgers had no one to bid against. Freddie lost all negotiating leverage once we traded for Olson. And yet he still was able to grab a larger contract than what we were offering.
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Yeah, I was just done arguing over it. And then factor in FF firing his agent over the whole ordeal, and it's pure cope to say he was always headed to the dodgers.
 
mfree80 said:
The deferred compensation is what makes the Dodgers contract effectively less than the Braves offer.

The loss of actual dollars because of the deferrals is huge.
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Eh, he's still getting that money. I don't agree that he is losing actual dollars. The value of the deferred money is dependent on a lot of factors.
 
Carp said:
Eh, he's still getting that money. I don't agree that he is losing actual dollars. The value of the deferred money is dependent on a lot of factors.
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if you took a $1 5 years ago it would be worth 70 cents what it’s worth today due to inflation.

If you invested that $1 instead, it would be worth $1.70

It doesn’t matter if you don’t “agree”. That’s just not how finance works
 
chop2chip said:
if you took a $1 5 years ago it would be worth 70 cents what it’s worth today due to inflation.

If you invested that $1 instead, it would be worth $1.70

It doesn’t matter if you don’t “agree”. That’s just not how finance works
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You are correct. It's the whole point of deferring money by teams. I believe they are compensated for inflation but even with that the team believes they will make more from that money in that time.
 
chop2chip said:
if you took a $1 5 years ago it would be worth 70 cents what it’s worth today due to inflation.

If you invested that $1 instead, it would be worth $1.70

It doesn’t matter if you don’t “agree”. That’s just not how finance works
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Again, it depends on a number of factors. The same 5 year period from 2014-2019 would have seen an average of 1.5% per year of inflation. You can't predict the future.
 
Carp said:
Again, it depends on a number of factors. The same 5 year period from 2014-2019 would have seen an average of 1.5% per year of inflation. You can't predict the future.
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You certainly can’t, but you still would be better off having the $1 today even in 2014 - 2019.
  • Invested in S&P 500: ~$1.95
  • Held as cash (real value): ~$0.89
 
Carp said:
This is incorrect. On a per year basis, sure that is true. And maybe if you factor in cost of living and deferrals it helps that argument. But the total amount of the contract was most certainly not less than the Braves offered. And that was ultimately the sticking point. The Braves only wanted to do 5 years, while Freddie wanted 6. If the Braves offered Freddie that 8/168 that they offered Olson, Freddie would almost certainly be on this team right now.

Also let's remember that the Dodgers had no one to bid against. Freddie lost all negotiating leverage once we traded for Olson. And yet he still was able to grab a larger contract than what we were offering.
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We offered the largest contract in franchise history to a dude heading into his mid-30’s which I believe also made him the highest paid 1B in the game at the time. If Freddie truly wanted to still be a Brave then he’d still be a Brave.
 
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