BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Let's blame "The Young Turks."
Nothing about the UCSB tragedy?
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57Brave
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Why's not we try to control the common denominator in ALL of these shootings.
Unfettered access to weapons.
Oh yeah, it's hard -- I forgot
Tapate50
Well-known member
Fixed.
How do we control mental health?
I think some people are just born as sociopaths and there's not a damn thing you can do about it other than hope that their life turns out good enough to where the switch never flips and they never have to kill anyone. If this kid wasn't a sociopath, he'd be like the rest of us. Just pissed off that his life didn't turn out exactly the way he wanted it to. That's why I'm saying that it was just the perfect storm of events that sent him off the ledge. There doesn't always have to be a fix or knee jerk reaction to everything. Some people are just crazy.
Even if gun restrictions were tighter, this kid would have been smart enough to get them anyway. If he has to take a psychology test to get a gun, it's not like he's going to check 'yes, I will use this gun to cause harm to those who live the life I want to live". He's going to check all the correct answers and then go about fulfilling his rampage.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Maybe he was aiming too high?
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Fixed.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
why is everything jpx is saying being dismissed? why does this happen so much more i the US than any other developed nation?
57Brave
Well-known member
Very good question. But let me turn it around --- what are your suggestions to controlling mental health.
Mine would be cradle to grave universal / sponsored by our civilization (which is the word used to describe our government subsidized by tax dollars) health care. Both mental and physical (as if there were a difference).
Can't recall your specific stances on health care policy.
Until we get our society around that nut, let's make buying weapons and ammunition harder than licensing a dog
No one is dismissing what he's saying because he isn't really saying much. Yes, the US has more school shootings than other countries. Point well taken but that's all he's got.
I don't think anyone knows exactly why. Every country is screwed up in one way or another. Maybe school shootings are part of being in a free society where we have the luxury to buy nice things, travel and enjoy being able to do what we want? China has way more people than we do, less school shootings and normal citizens aren't allowed to own guns there. Sounds great! Who wants to move to China? You can live in dorms at work and spend 16 hours a day manufacturing cheap crap. No one? Brazil has a lot of people and way less school shootings. Although you have to deal with being mugged, raped and murdered on the streets. But at least they don't have as many school shootings. India has more people than the US but they can't stop their men from raping all their women. Sounds like they have a sweet deal over there because they don't have as many school shootings.
Our black eye is school shootings but it's an extremely small problem compared to the problems of most of the rest of the world. We could probably improve things with better mental health care. If a guy is in his 20's and depressed about being a virgin and not having friends, it's a serious problem. If you don't feel loved or have people that care about you, whats the point in living? Most of these psychiatrists can't relate to what these kids are going through. There aren't many people out there who can relate to being bullied into almost complete isolation from the world. They don't know how the thought of never being able to have sex can drive you insane because chances are that they don't have that problem. So everything gets downplayed to it just being some kid who gets picked on and has trouble getting girls. When inside you can have a suicidal kid or mass murderer brewing because the warning signs were ignored or downplayed.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
The US isn't particularly good at it, either.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I'm not trying to score "points" here: "all I've got" is a pretty grave question, so I hardly think it's as trivial as not "really saying much" would suggest.
Also: this goes well beyond "school shootings" to pretty much any public gathering-place. Either way, though, it seems pretty bleak—at best—and equal parts callous and lazy, at worst, to just throw our hands up and say, "Every country is screwed up in one way or another. [Mass shooting are just a necessary component to being able] to buy nice things, travel and enjoy being able to do what we want".
I get what you are saying -- but controlling mental health is a scary (as hell) proposition. Should Obamacare provide for free Prozac and other similar medications, too?
I see the issue as more of a cultural battle -- but don't believe the solution resides in wholesale censorship (or curation) of popular media.
There's a lot to consider.
Sigh...I should really just go back to my normal light trolling.
All you're doing is asking a gigantic loaded question and then judging what other people have to say about it. You have no answers, no ideas and no input. To call others callous and lazy while you sit back and judge is pretty ignorant, even for internet standards. Congrats on having a question, not knowing the answer, but knowing other peoples answers are wrong. Where did you learn to become such an intellect?
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
There've been some good responses—weso's in particular, I thought (though I disagree with him regarding the absence of misogyny in Rodger's motivations)—so I think it's a bit overblown to say I'm "sitting back and ignorantly judging" everyone in some imperious fashion.
In fact, check the thread: I've only really responded negatively to you, because you seem to be the only poster putting forward the idea that there's just not anything that can be done, that maybe mass-shootings are just price of our social organization and its benefits, et cetera.