Free Agent signings under Wren

jsebe10 said:
We had no business signing BJ...I don't care what stat, analyst, or arm chair fan manager says..We had no business signing him.
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As good of a strong opinionated post as this is..... You supply no facts to support your opinion . Plead your case? Minor league system stocked at the position? Trade candidates available? Had moveable pieces to get other options? Some Japanese team had an extra? Lay it out .
 
Tapate50 said:
As good of a strong opinionated post as this is..... You supply no facts to support your opinion . Plead your case? Minor league system stocked at the position? Trade candidates available? Had moveable pieces to get other options? Some Japanese team had an extra? Lay it out .
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I wish we would throw some money at these big Cuban/Japan prospects personally.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Uggla and BJ are outliers. Neither have performed anywhere close to their career norms and both came here while in prime years. Both fell off drastically. When acquired they both were premium for their positions.
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I was somewhat able to stomach last year's version of Uggla because he hit homers and drew walks. Now, even those skills have vanished. Amazing that he and his doppleganger in the AL, Jason Kubel, have fallen apart at the same time. Did someone cut off their PEDs?
 
thethe said:
I wish we would throw some money at these big Cuban/Japan prospects personally.
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Some of the latest Cuban guys weren't all that expensive and I believe they could handle most IF positions other than first. Would have been a smart insurance policy to Uggla and Lastella.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Uggla and BJ are outliers. Neither have performed anywhere close to their career norms and both came here while in prime years. Both fell off drastically. When acquired they both were premium for their positions.
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Yes and it is also the managers job to get those guys playing to their full potential. Their are several things that can be done. For instance. Remember when Andrew Jones went after a few balls with lackluster effort? Bobby benched his ass. What has happened when Bj has done that same thing. Nothing. When a guy is struggling at the plate you have to find the problem and fix it. Instead we keep trotting the same guys out everyday while they are still getting the same failure result. It took4 years of UGGLYNESS to go with a different 2nd baseman.

Ok, lets say it is not out of the managers hands because the guys just can't get it done anymore. Well now it is the managers responsibility to play someone that can get it done.
 
jason27nc said:
Yes and it is also the managers job to get those guys playing to their full potential. Their are several things that can be done. For instance. Remember when Andrew Jones went after a few balls with lackluster effort? Bobby benched his ass. What has happened when Bj has done that same thing. Nothing. When a guy is struggling at the plate you have to find the problem and fix it. Instead we keep trotting the same guys out everyday while they are still getting the same failure result. It took4 years of UGGLYNESS to go with a different 2nd baseman.

Ok, lets say it is not out of the managers hands because the guys just can't get it done anymore. Well now it is the managers responsibility to play someone that can get it done.
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Like who? Schafer ?
 
Most the moves that turned out bad were at least understandable at the time. The bj signing was just baffling however. I swear I remember Wren saying he wanted hitters with a better approach and who would not give ABs away, and put up a fight at the plate. BJ is the opposite of that and the opposite of what this team needed. We needed a contact guy that could walk, and we signed a guy who Ks as much as anyone in the league and had a decent at best obp, and that's probably being too kind.

Wren has had some great under the radar signings, but the massive fails on big money contracts outweigh them. Overall though I'm happy with Wren as a GM.
 
Tapate50 said:
As good of a strong opinionated post as this is..... You supply no facts to support your opinion . Plead your case? Minor league system stocked at the position? Trade candidates available? Had moveable pieces to get other options? Some Japanese team had an extra? Lay it out .
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Here's my case.

1. If you are expecting me to throw sabermetrics at you, close your butt cheeks, it ain't happening.

2. BJ has slugged over .500 once in his career. He averages about 160 Ks a season. He's hasn't batted over .250 since his 2007 season. Not to include he was brought in to man the most important position in the OF and he's failed miserably.

The front office knew what his #s were before signing and I supposed wanted to take a chance bc of his speed and his ability to steal bases. Did they think he'd be this bad? Of course not.

I'm not going to entertain what's in our farm system bc you fckn know there's nothing in our farm system. There were multiple ave that could have been taken pursuing Bourn more aggressive or band aiding CF for a season and make a push to sign Choo. This team settled on Lostman jr and it's hurting us. Stop drafting much pitching and go get some position players consistently.
 
Tapate50 said:
And let's say that GM goes out and gets you the best CF on the FA mkt...would you approve of that move?
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It all starts with the manager. He is the one that plays a guy that is barely hitting over 200 and doesn't hustle. If he benched his ass for that alone it may help with the other things. As far as going out and getting the best CF on the FA market. I don't care who it is, they would not be any worse.
 
jason27nc said:
It all starts with the manager. He is the one that plays a guy that is barely hitting over 200 and doesn't hustle. If he benched his ass for that alone it may help with the other things. As far as going out and getting the best CF on the FA market. I don't care who it is, they would not be any worse.
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The only blame I put on Fredi here is the fact that he keeps running him out into the 2 hole. It's not his fault that BJ is under performing. The only way BJ will get better is by playing.
 
jsebe10 said:
The only blame I put on Fredi here is the fact that he keeps running him out into the 2 hole. It's not his fault that BJ is under performing. The only way BJ will get better is by playing.
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I agree on the two hole but benching him him not hustling would send a message to him and others. Sometimes you have to not be their friend and be their damn coach.
 
jason27nc said:
I agree on the two hole but benching him him not hustling would send a message to him and others. Sometimes you have to not be their friend and be their damn coach.
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He's 30 years old man. If he didn't get that message when Maddon benched him in Tampa or when Longoria got in his face, he prolly won't ever get it.
 
nsacpi said:
Here's a list of Wren's free agent signings since he became GM:

Glavine end of career retire as a brave contract no problem with paying glavine 8 mil
Gotay blah
Ross. Great signing
Moylan. Mainstay of the pen for years

Garret Anderson blah
Lowe Underwhelming
Kawakami. Decent first year terrible after
O'Flaherty. See moylan but better
Saito. Solid move
Wagner. Kimbrel's and venters teacher solid move
Glaus. Shot in the dark
Hinske. Hinske's awesome
Sherrill. Only year here was good
Durbin. Decent year
Livan. Clueless as to why this had to happen
Laird. Not as good Ross

BJ. Awful so far
Reed Johnson. Good year
Sheets. Helped the staff
Pena. Jury's still out
Overbay. Pretty sure overbay was a waiver period trade
Santana. Necessity
Floyd. Jury's still out
Harang
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godsend - refers to harang
As you can see outside of the big free agents wren has made fa moves to help the team
 
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