GDT #69. 6/16 7:10 PM (EDT) Phillies(Hamels) @ Braves(Teheran)
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50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I don't think the team is doomed, but it is a team that has to play more flawlessly than other teams to be successful and that becomes even more difficult with this set of players (some of whom have pretty noticeable flaws). I think KB21's post sums up a lot of my feelings, although I didn't have any trouble with the Santana signing.
Tapate50
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We have been over the FA stuff to death. In what world is it his fault players don't play up to their career norms ?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think Uggla was an accident waiting to happen. You just don't extend a guy that limited athletically to a contract that long. Tools aren't everything, but they still matter some. My gripe on B.J. Upton is the 5th year and the approximate $1.5 M - $2.0 M he appeared to go over market on him. That said, a CF was needed. But neither of these guys are what I would call a core player. The core guys we have now are Freeman, Heyward, and Upton the Younger (who, in fairness to Wren, was acquired at a bargain rate after he had forked over all that coin to Upton the Elder).
Let's play a mental exercise. Does Wren sign Upton the Elder to the contract he signed him to if he gets Upton the Younger before signing a CF? One problem I have with Wren is that many of his moves look good in isolation, but they don't make sense when viewed as part of the larger task. I think the Chris Johnson extension is going to fit into that category as well as the signing of B.J. Upton. Even if our budget is going to get bigger (and it looks like it will), that doesn't mean you simply spend money. You still have to spend it wisely and I don't think Wren always does.
PurpleBrave
On BBA's Top 100 Prospects List
Are we too stubborn to make that tinkering though? Like batting BJ Upton 2nd every day...In hopes of what? He'll turn it around? Everyone with half a brain knows the Braves needed a change at 2b and help at the top of the order. It seems that we may have both in one player but he's always buried batting 7th, arguably the least important spot in the order. Can we entertain the idea of batting Heyward somewhere else besides lead off?
Do I believe we can tinker and improve? Yes...it's possible, but Gonzalez and Wren haven't shown a lot of willingness to do so. Outside of batting the pitcher 8th at least...
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
They've done the most obvious things that had to be done. Drop Uggla. Start increasing Gattis' playing time (four straight games yesterday). Those were the most important and obvious changes that had to be made imo.
La Stella to #2 in the lineup would be a good move too.
Picking up some bullpen help, presumably a lefty, would help as well.
The plan was probably to break TLS in by hitting him in a low pressure spot for a while. He now has 70 MLB PAs, and while I'm sure we can all agree he isn't really a .387/.449/.419 hitter, it is beyond obvious he needs to be in the top half of this lineup (either 1, 2, or 5) with BJ dropped down to the bottom half.
Lineup optimizer says the top 5 should be TLS, Justin, Heyward, Gattis, Freeman, and I agree. The order isn't super important, but I would definitely try to use Justin and Gattis to split up the 3 LHers as much as possible.
Lineup optimizer says the top 5 should be TLS, Justin, Heyward, Gattis, Freeman, and I agree. The order isn't super important, but I would definitely try to use Justin and Gattis to split up the 3 LHers as much as possible.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I would go with:
Jason
La Stella
Justin
Gattis
Freeman
CJ
BJ
Simmons
Move each of the bottom 4 up a spot and bat Laird 8th when Gattis rests.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Can't have Freddie that low. JMO.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Uggla was off years simply beating us by himself. He was fresh off a 877 OPS campaign playing 159 games and was a huge position of need (RH Power at the 2b spot). There isn't a ton of RH Power just floating around at that spot. At the time, he was hitting homers in Turner field like it was his home park anyway. While there were a few naysayers at the length of the extenstion, he literally dropped off a cliff. A drop in production so severe Nostadamus would have been shocked to see. Most every FA\Extension transaction goes longer than it should. It is just the nature of the game of FA\Extensions these days. I expect they figured at the end of the extension they would have an overpaid vet on their hands, but not for the last 3 full years of the contract. That is squarely on Uggla.
Beej is\was overpaid, just like every FA signed in the initial parts of FA is. This is the danger of playing in the FA pool really. It is on him to actually perform up to at the very least career norms. Everything we read was saying how having them together was going to bolster both of their play. He went out and got the best defensive CF available with the highest offensive potential. I personally thought Victorino was a better choice (because he wasn't going to require the commitment that BJ did in both $ and years) but he has been pretty far from healthy the last few seasons. We were also coming of Druw years where we saw the value in a CF that can go and get it. I think that had a little to do with them wanting to have that CF that can stop a rally in its tracks, but that judgement seems to be misplaced.
Both guys were huge needs. Apparently Turner is where FAs go to pull their best Wile E. Coyote impression. With the exception of bargain bin pitchers that is.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
wOBA numbers for 2014:
Gattis .399
Justin .379
Freddie .379
I don't think it matters much in which order these 3 bat, except I would try to avoid having 3 consecutive lefty hitters at the top of our lineup.
sample size.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
sturg33
I
*Too big of sample
So Freeman best?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
is wRC+ a counting stat?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
As I said I don't disagree that Freeman is our best hitter. My point is that there is not much separating him, Upton and Gattis. So there isn't much to choose from in terms of which one hits where. Secondary factors such as separating same-handed hitters come into consideration.
I would try to avoid hitting Heyward, La Stella, Freeman 1-2-3.