David Price

As of now our rotation is Teheran, Minor, Santana, Harang, and Wood (in about 10 days).

Please don't tell me that you think that wins you either of the wildcards when Miami just promoted Heaney.

I was at least willing to consider the argument that we didn't need to improve the rotation when Wood was going to be the replacement for Harang (who happened to be the guy 99% of you have said the clock was going to strike midnight on since he signed) - he just became the replacement for Floyd.

This really was a two team race before tonight. It just became a three team race, and the Marlins have more MLB-ready SP than we do.
 
thethe said:
+1000000

Thank you for saying this. We need a pitcher that gets hot. That isn't necessarily an ace. I'd like hammerlock.as well.
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Exactly which three of Teheran/Minor/Santana/Harang/Wood measure up with those three???
 
Everybody loves to *itch about the offense, and most of those complaints are legitimate.

However, Teheran/Minor/Santana/Harang/Wood doesn't get you into the playoffs unless the offense gets and stays hot for an extended period of time or Minor/Santana/Harang don't start pitching better than they've pitched in the last 3-4 weeks in a big hurry and keep pitching that way for the rest of the way.
 
thethe said:
What's the difference? Those three didn't win much of anything as is.
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Always love a challenge. If you're game, I am.

If we DON'T make a move to improve the rotation from the outside and somehow make the playoffs with a rotation of Teheran/Minor/Santana/Harang/Wood and Hale and our other AAAA Pitchers, I'll turn in my chopcountry.com card.

If we stand pat and don't make the playoffs, you do the same.
 
Before this injury I was fine with just replacing Harang with Wood, but now I feel we have to make a move. We've already sacraficed our 1st Rd pick(would have probably been Chavis) to compete this year. I don't feel harang or hale will allow us to do that.

We all knew Harang wasn't a guy who should make 30+ starts. He gave us some great innings, but he's showing signs of going back to the real Harang. Also I know Hale has pitched well when starting, but I have not been impressed with what I've seen from him out of the BP. It's not very safe to just assume he'll be able to keep it up all year, plus he may be on an innings limit.

I'm not saying I'm in favor of emptying the farm for Price. If they are willing to be realistic that'd be great. But we need to be looking at guys like samardzija, Hammel, and anyone else who may be available. Wonder if Lee will be put on the block? He has shown he is a postseason monster, and I believe he is a FA to be? which would make the phils more inclined to deal within the division, although I'd hate to give them something they could use so idk. Point is I think some type of trade will need to be made. And we should consider all options.
 
clvclv said:
Everybody loves to *itch about the offense, and most of those complaints are legitimate.

However, Teheran/Minor/Santana/Harang/Wood doesn't get you into the playoffs unless the offense gets and stays hot for an extended period of time or Minor/Santana/Harang don't start pitching better than they've pitched in the last 3-4 weeks in a big hurry and keep pitching that way for the rest of the way.
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No ****. But which is the bigger issue. That potential rotation or our offense which is currently 29th in runs scored?
 
thewupk said:
No ****. But which is the bigger issue. That potential rotation or our offense which is currently 29th in runs scored?
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Problem is there is no real way to fix the problem. BJ is the biggest problem and he isn't movable. Lineup construction will help but only ho so far. I would like to see the hitting coaches fired though.
 
thewupk said:
No ****. But which is the bigger issue. That potential rotation or our offense which is currently 29th in runs scored?
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You have to improve where you can improve.

There are no available replacements for Johnson or B. J.. The only way this team makes the playoffs is if the starters perform the way did for the first six weeks. Teheran/Minor/Santana/Harang/Wood are incapable of doing so. Substitute Price/Samardzija/another high-end Pitcher for Harang and you've got a puncher's chance.

I understand not wanting to take that gamble. My point is that if you're not willing to do so, it's time to start shopping J-Up, Heyward, and whatever other pieces that potentially have value and start building for 2016.
 
clvclv said:
You have to improve where you can improve.

There are no available replacements for Johnson or B. J.. The only way this team makes the playoffs is if the starters perform the way did for the first six weeks. Teheran/Minor/Santana/Harang/Wood are incapable of doing so. Substitute Price/Samardzija/another high-end Pitcher for Harang and you've got a puncher's chance.

I understand not wanting to take that gamble. My point is that if you're not willing to do so, it's time to start shopping J-Up, Heyward, and whatever other pieces that potentially have value and start building for 2016.
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I think gambling on the hitting talent to improve and getting a starter but not emptying the farm for a Price/Samaraadsfajfafa is the better route. For one I don't think Jeff is worth the asking price the Cubs likely have and Price is a FA to be. Gutting the farm for him is not something we should do when we wouldn't be able to afford him either way. I would try to trade for a #3 to replace Harang with and see what happens. Don't forfeit the season but don't rape the farm either. Of course that's easier said then done. I also think shoring up the pen with 1 more legit arm and addressing the bench would help the team tremendously.
 
clvclv said:
Always love a challenge. If you're game, I am.

If we DON'T make a move to improve the rotation from the outside and somehow make the playoffs with a rotation of Teheran/Minor/Santana/Harang/Wood and Hale and our other AAAA Pitchers, I'll turn in my chopcountry.com card.

If we stand pat and don't make the playoffs, you do the same.
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Who is saying I don't want to make a move? I don't want to trade the farm for a pitcher we are going to have to give a buttload of money to and has thrown a lot of innings. Trading Peraza/Sims for Price is just stupid.
 
thewupk said:
I think gambling on the hitting talent to improve and getting a starter but not emptying the farm for a Price/Samaraadsfajfafa is the better route. For one I don't think Jeff is worth the asking price the Cubs likely have and Price is a FA to be. Gutting the farm for him is not something we should do when we wouldn't be able to afford him either way. I would try to trade for a #3 to replace Harang with and see what happens. Don't forfeit the season but don't rape the farm either. Of course that's easier said then done. I also think shoring up the pen with 1 more legit arm and addressing the bench would help the team tremendously.
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You just have to hope that TLS will continue to find a way to get on base and when the lineup is constructed right it will start clicking...hopefully.

Still need to get a guy like Arrieta/Hammel/etc...
 
If it takes Peraza, Bethancourt, or Sims to get Price or Samardzija, I just say no. We've had good fortune trading off mid-level prospects for short-term contributors, but we've been fairly lucky that we haven't had to surrender any of our top-tier minor league talent in recent trades. I don't worship the farm system and part of the job of the farm system is to support the big league club by supplying players and trading chips, but I just say we roll the dice with what we have and go from there.

Folks were dumping on the idea when it was suggested the Braves may be looking at Hammel (and I wasn't enamored with the idea given that Floyd was still healthy when the suggestion was made), but he's probably the kind of guy that will be affordable in terms of prospects if we do make a deal.

If all else fails, we can see what it takes to get Freddy Garcia back from the EDA Rhinos of the Taiwanese Baseball League.
 
Something else that I noticed this morning is that CJ is actually heating up. Each month he has hit better so hopefully that will continue. Getting him back to a respectable place would be huge to extend the lineup.
 
50PoundHead said:
If it takes Peraza, Bethancourt, or Sims to get Price or Samardzija, I just say no. We've had good fortune trading off mid-level prospects for short-term contributors, but we've been fairly lucky that we haven't had to surrender any of our top-tier minor league talent in recent trades. I don't worship the farm system and part of the job of the farm system is to support the big league club by supplying players and trading chips, but I just say we roll the dice with what we have and go from there.

Folks were dumping on the idea when it was suggested the Braves may be looking at Hammel (and I wasn't enamored with the idea given that Floyd was still healthy when the suggestion was made), but he's probably the kind of guy that will be affordable in terms of prospects if we do make a deal.

If all else fails, we can see what it takes to get Freddy Garcia back from the EDA Rhinos of the Taiwanese Baseball League.
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I just don't see for what reason Peraza should be traded...especially for a pitcher. You either develop an ace or you don't have one.
 
Price would sign with us for 4 years, go 8-12 with a 3.80 era. Then start off the second season 7-0 and then have elbow discomfort and we lose him for second and third years.
 
I suspect Price's price tag on an extension would be north of $20M. But we can always dream about a generous discount.

Imo that kind of money would be better spent on Jason and Justin.
 
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