Boko Harem

zitothebrave said:
Aside from what SAV mentioned which are a few of the more well known examples of the US propping up someone for their own political/financial interests.

But the thing is that we're already repeating it, we're funding Al Qaeda in Syria for some gain either political or economical. WE're funding the bad guys. The guys who used Sarin gas which is a war crime. By proxy the US is basically committing a War crime.

Everyone claims that Sharia Law is bad and the devil, but the people we're backing in Syria want to implement Sharia Law.

Here's an article to read if you think the US is all sunshine and butterflies

http://www.alternet.org/world/35-countries-where-us-has-supported-fascists-druglords-and-terrorists

Here's the truth you won't admit, War makes the rich richer. So they want a constant war. What better way to do that than constantly overthrow governments by backing extremists, then a few years later after you've made the rounds, oust the ones you put in charge.
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That's life. Everyone does that. Every scenario has it's plus and minuses. And America is not fully backing al queda in Syria. There's no american boots on the ground. There's bad guys mixed in with innoncent people with people fighting against Assad. If you give a dollar to a homeless guy on the corner, if he in turn uses that money for drugs are you enabling him to use drugs or do you just do what you think is right and he made a bad choice?

Everybody backs everybody. That's the way the world goes.
 
zitothebrave said:
Yes, because we've made the world dependent on Team America World Police, as a method to strengthen our case for war, which then profits the rich.
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So its Americas fault that radical Islam groups exist? Is that what you want us to believe? Is that what you believe?
 
Krgrecw said:
That's life. Everyone does that. Every scenario has it's plus and minuses. And America is not fully backing al queda in Syria. There's no american boots on the ground. There's bad guys mixed in with innoncent people with people fighting against Assad. If you give a dollar to a homeless guy on the corner, if he in turn uses that money for drugs are you enabling him to use drugs or do you just do what you think is right and he made a bad choice?

Everybody backs everybody. That's the way the world goes.
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Except we're the USA. We have spied on the homeless guy while he was sleeping. Gave him a cavity search after we drugged him. And watch his activities all day. And knowing all his behavior we still give him the dollar.
 
Krgrecw said:
That's life. Everyone does that. Every scenario has it's plus and minuses. And America is not fully backing al queda in Syria. There's no american boots on the ground. There's bad guys mixed in with innoncent people with people fighting against Assad. If you give a dollar to a homeless guy on the corner, if he in turn uses that money for drugs are you enabling him to use drugs or do you just do what you think is right and he made a bad choice?

Everybody backs everybody. That's the way the world goes.
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We're giving money, training, and weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria. How much more can we back them?

And the analogy, wow.

We're backing someone we claim is enemy number 1. Think about that. It would be like funneling money to the Nazis in WWII. Sad that you don't see the pattern because it's all to common in American history, and those who don't know history, yada yada yada.
 
thethe said:
So its Americas fault that radical Islam groups exist? Is that what you want us to believe? Is that what you believe?
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No it's not America's fault they exist, but America in the past has successfully propped up many of them giving thme success. Al Qaeda I'm sure could point to their success vs the Soviets as a recruitment effort, and how did they do well against the Soviets? With American training and weapons.
 
Reagan baby.

Reagan_Mujahideen.jpg

Could you imagine if Obama were the one that invited these guys into the white house? The political ramifications years later when the mujahideen became the taliban would be Obama's legacy. Yet nobody on the right acknowledges that Reagan connection ever existed
 
I have never once implied that the US is ever innocent. Its well known that we have screwed up things for our own gain.

I just completely reject the notion that we are the driving force for radical Islam. Radical Islam has existed for over 1300 years. Even prior to that the Persians were radical. Everyone from the MIddle East is which includes my people. The Jews are crazy people just like the Muslims. They have fought forever and will continue to fight forever. The only difference is that the Muslims don't even get along with eachother.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Reagan baby.

Reagan_Mujahideen.jpg


Could you imagine if Obama were the one that invited these guys into the white house? The political ramifications years later when the mujahideen became the taliban would be Obama's legacy. Yet nobody on the right acknowledges that Reagan connection ever existed
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Didn't Obama bow to the king of Saudi?

People suck. You just do the best you can with them with your best intentions and hope it turns out well.

Guess we were wrong for aligning with Stalin too.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Reagan baby.


Could you imagine if Obama were the one that invited these guys into the white house? The political ramifications years later when the mujahideen became the taliban would be Obama's legacy. Yet nobody on the right acknowledges that Reagan connection ever existed[/QUOTE]

Most of the grumping from pubs about the middle east and muslim extremists in general have been since after 9/11. It's unfair to assume Reagan's actions would be the same in a post 9/11 world.
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thethe said:
I just completely reject the notion that we are the driving force for radical Islam. Radical Islam has existed for over 1300 years. Even prior to that the Persians were radical. Everyone from the MIddle East is which includes my people. The Jews are crazy people just like the Muslims. They have fought forever and will continue to fight forever. The only difference is that the Muslims don't even get along with eachother.
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I really feel you aren't comprehending what's being said.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Reagan baby.

Reagan_Mujahideen.jpg

Could you imagine if Obama were the one that invited these guys into the white house? The political ramifications years later when the mujahideen became the taliban would be Obama's legacy. Yet nobody on the right acknowledges that Reagan connection ever existed
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I've got a hat like the guy the third to the right of Reagan in the picture. Thing is warm as all get out.
 
thethe said:
I have never once implied that the US is ever innocent. Its well known that we have screwed up things for our own gain.

I just completely reject the notion that we are the driving force for radical Islam. Radical Islam has existed for over 1300 years. Even prior to that the Persians were radical. Everyone from the MIddle East is which includes my people. The Jews are crazy people just like the Muslims. They have fought forever and will continue to fight forever. The only difference is that the Muslims don't even get along with eachother.
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Let me put it this way since you aren't getting it. We're actively arming muslims. Imagine if you have a ****ty neighbor who plays music too ****ing loud. Would you give him bigger speakers so he can piss off the other neighbors more?
 
zitothebrave said:
Let me put it this way since you aren't getting it. We're actively arming muslims. Imagine if you have a ****ty neighbor who plays music too ****ing loud. Would you give him bigger speakers so he can piss off the other neighbors more?
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Again, I've never said the US has made smart decisions about this and that is what you are getting at. But the root cause is not the US arming anyone especially when these groups can get armed from others (like IRAN).

The biggest issue and the one that can never be changed is that Radical Islam is not going anywhere. Its a part of who those people are at the core and it has been that way for a long damn time.
 
How do you thin Iran got arms? How do you think the Saudis get arms? Or the Kuwaitis? Gun fairy? Look at the ISIS. They're not being funded by Iran, Iran doesn't like them because they're all about destabilization. So who funded them and allowed them to get powerful? US "allies" the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Qataris. The problem in the middle east is absolutely caused by big oil and the US is just one part of a machine that's involved over there that's lead to things like higher gas prices, instability, and so on so forth. If the Middle East's oil runs dry it will become a relatively peaceful area. Sure there will be tribal fighting but they'll no longer be backed by US, Soviets, Chinese, etc.
 
Also, do you believe that these oil rich nations would not have been able to get arms without US involvement? They were going to be hiding in caves with sticks sitting on billions of dollars?
 
thethe said:
Also, do you believe that these oil rich nations would not have been able to get arms without US involvement? They were going to be hiding in caves with sticks sitting on billions of dollars?
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Well no first it was the British, but yeah **** escalated quickly when we were arming them to fight the Soviets and continued to selectively arm certain groups that fit our goals. Let's use Gaddafi or Saddam or Bin Laden. All dead now pretty much because their use for us is gone.

Best way to handle radical Islam is to leave the middle east. Best way for that to happen is to have an alternative energy that's cheap to kill the oil industry's power. Without big oil interests the ME can fall into collapse and we can let the British way of making up borders fall.
 
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