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BedellBrave said:
The implication that they've now abandoned their charter, because they use ambiguous language.

The idea that an urban war can be fought with an enemy that demands its citizens remain in its urban areas instead of fleeing to nearby less populated areas, sets its weaponry up in those populated areas, starts its tunnel system from there, and there be no civilian casualties.
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that is all well and good for an excuse to overlook the bombing of children

but they are bombing buildings that they know have children sitting in them and disabled people in them etc

it isn't like the bomb is missing the target in an urban area that i am talking about

but anything to rationalize the killing of innocent people
 
And if that proves to be the case then those who ordered and executed a direct strike to kill civilians ought to pay the price with their own lives - oh, scratch that, we can't have that - they ought to pay the price (you pick it).

But back to the point that you were trying to say AA wasn't in touch with reality, when actually he was and you were just taking another bit of Hamas propaganda for gospel. Sure they used ambiguous language back in 2006 and subsequently went to town building a massive network of tunnels from which to kill'm some Jews. You post an old article but fail to mention the fact that a Hamas spokesman just a couple of weeks ago refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, dodging the question as their reps tend to always do.
 
Hey, B. Israel and Hamas are not going to make peace. That's impossible, I suppose. We both recognize this.

You're willing to make all of these things—these mutable things—that Hamas writes and that spokesmen say to be prerequisites to peace. So if Hamas were part of a democratically elected coalition government, you would not even go to the table? Waiting for the element of armed resistance to go away . . . dude. It's not going to happen.

You have all of these pre-conditions for palestinians before the israelis should even consider negotiating, yet for all your stated concern about settlements, you're not willing to say, for example, that Israel should unilaterally reverse their settlement policy. Or are you?
 
Julio3000 said:
Hey, B. Israel and Hamas are not going to make peace. That's impossible, I suppose. We both recognize this.

You're willing to make all of these things—these mutable things—that Hamas writes and that spokesmen say to be prerequisites to peace. So if Hamas were part of a democratically elected coalition government, you would not even go to the table? Waiting for the element of armed resistance to go away . . . dude. It's not going to happen.

You have all of these pre-conditions for palestinians before the israelis should even consider negotiating, yet for all your stated concern about settlements, you're not willing to say, for example, that Israel should unilaterally reverse their settlement policy. Or are you?
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B already said it. He doesn't nor I agree with them taking land. But Hamas never ask that in negotiations, they just want borders open so they can bring in more weapons, along with food and aid, in that order.
 
Julio3000 said:
Hey, B. Israel and Hamas are not going to make peace. That's impossible, I suppose. We both recognize this.

You're willing to make all of these things—these mutable things—that Hamas writes and that spokesmen say to be prerequisites to peace. So if Hamas were part of a democratically elected coalition government, you would not even go to the table? Waiting for the element of armed resistance to go away . . . dude. It's not going to happen.

You have all of these pre-conditions for palestinians before the israelis should even consider negotiating, yet for all your stated concern about settlements, you're not willing to say, for example, that Israel should unilaterally reverse their settlement policy. Or are you?
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Yes, I am. Israel, reverse settlement in the West bank policy. Israel lift the embargo. Hamas, be thrown out of power and their military capabilities dismantled.

And the West stop acting as if Hamas is a Western entity.
 
Julio3000 said:
Hey, B. Israel and Hamas are not going to make peace. That's impossible, I suppose. We both recognize this.

You're willing to make all of these things—these mutable things—that Hamas writes and that spokesmen say to be prerequisites to peace. So if Hamas were part of a democratically elected coalition government, you would not even go to the table? Waiting for the element of armed resistance to go away . . . dude. It's not going to happen.

You have all of these pre-conditions for palestinians before the israelis should even consider negotiating, yet for all your stated concern about settlements, you're not willing to say, for example, that Israel should unilaterally reverse their settlement policy. Or are you?
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Please don't take the gold fly angle and blindly assume that everyone that thinks Hamas sucks also thinks Israel is perfect.
 
Particularly when they are repeatedly on record criticizing Israel. It's not like we are silent and you could draw the inference that we were wild-eyed Christian Zionists.

Israel is wrong allowing the Zionists to build settlement after settlement in the West Bank.

Israel is wrong then to build infrastructure to reach these enclaves.

Israel is wrong to do so in both of those cases in lavish ways, accentuating the poverty of the Palestinians.

Israel is wrong in its restriction of the open proclamation of minority religious belief.

Israel is wrong in its overly paranoid treatment of foreign aid workers and missionaries (like booting out dear friends of mine).

But Israel is not wrong in seeking to emasculate Hamas.
 
BedellBrave said:
Yes, I am. Israel, reverse settlement in the West bank policy. Israel lift the embargo. Hamas, be thrown out of power and their military capabilities dismantled.

And the West stop acting as if Hamas is a Western entity.
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Awesome. I'm glad to hear it.

But thrown out of power by whom?
 
Tapate50 said:
In every thread, always. You paint with a broad brush.

The "don't blame you, I wouldn't want to defend the bombing of schools either " chat comes to mind.
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that isn't painting with a broad brush

that was the topic
 
AA's boy has went off the (R)eservation

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