Question.

BJ#1FAN said:
But back to the original question which still hasn't been answers.

Since you're going to deport the hispanic kids and banish them back to certain death, are you willing to give political asylum to the 40k plus Christian Iraqi's whom are in danger from ISIS? Or do we "not have enough room" for them either.

Since we want to solve the ISIS problem, which currently does not affect us directly (other than potential oil fields of Halliburton), are conservatives willing to spend endless money to try and fight ISIS? Whereas the border problem which actually does involve us directly, we are taking no measures or action in South America of the magnitude of this ISIS crisis. Are you willing to spend money and send military support to try and overthrow the cartels and drug trade?
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Says who? They aren't going to be executed, they will probably be poor and no one is waiting with an axe or rifle to silence them.

I can't believe you would equate this to children. We never seen an American continent country beheading women and children just because unless it deals with gangs and definitely not religion.
 
BJ#1FAN said:
I know you don't care... nor should you.

The right will jump to the side of the catholics if there's something about birth control and gay marriage, but when the Pope speaks positively on gays, and then rails against the rich over income inequality... suddenly he's not thinking clear.
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I actually don't care about that either. I do not follow a pope or a church and not follow any religion, they are all stupid to me, sorry Bedell, but he know where I am coming from, but...

You make it about religion and everyone else and like Dalyn, who I agree with in this regards, makes everything about religion. Muslims are idiots, barbarians and what not, proof in what they are doing, but Central American children are not being shot at, beheaded and what not, their parents are trying to get them a better life. I applaud them for doing it, but they have to do it the right way, not just throwing them in an orphanage which they are doing now.
 
AerchAngel said:
Says who? They aren't going to be executed, they will probably be poor and no one is waiting with an axe or rifle to silence them.

I can't believe you would equate this to children. We never seen an American continent country beheading women and children just because unless it deals with gangs and definitely not religion.
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Cartels are hanging people, they're beheading them, and cutting their bodies into pieces. Not just people who speak out against them, but actual politicians and lawyers as well.

And yes, they kill children too, especially to silence families and intimidate communities.

While ISIS may be more direct with the killings, the kids who are running away are still going to get killed. And if you've been reading, a lot of the families are actually paying traffickers who they didn't know are cartel agents, then they get killed on the border and the cartel still takes the money. Or the cartel smuggles them right into a trap at the border where there are known agents and minute men waiting to shoot.
 
And to use my inner Bedell, the question still hasn't been answered. It's only been answered with more questions.
 
BJ#1FAN said:
Apples and oranges, same danger and threat.

Cartels and drugs are a bigger threat to our national security than ISIS. Neither are major threatening, but at least the cartels and drug trade have a direct link to our country, whereas ISIS is all the way in Iraq and Syria, two places we don't have any real ties to.
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I guess any dead Christian is good for you. Bravo.
 
BJ#1FAN said:
Cartels are hanging people, they're beheading them, and cutting their bodies into pieces. Not just people who speak out against them, but actual politicians and lawyers as well.

And yes, they kill children too, especially to silence families and intimidate communities.

While ISIS may be more direct with the killings, the kids who are running away are still going to get killed. And if you've been reading, a lot of the families are actually paying traffickers who they didn't know are cartel agents, then they get killed on the border and the cartel still takes the money. Or the cartel smuggles them right into a trap at the border where there are known agents and minute men waiting to shoot.
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We can't do anything until the Mexican government ask us to. Until then, we can't do anything.
 
AerchAngel said:
I guess any dead Christian is good for you. Bravo.
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I don't care if they're Christian, muslim, or whatever.

What bothers me is the right is pushing for hard action on ISIS just because they're attacking Christians in Iraq. Eventually ISIS is going to use innocents as human shields, and are we going to keep bombing innocents to try and wipe out ISIS, like Israel is doing in Gaza?

Has nothing to do with my personal opinion on whether or not we should be airstriking (I do think we should be). I just don't want foreign policy to be predicated on whether or not these are christians.
 
AerchAngel said:
We can't do anything until the Mexican government ask us to. Until then, we can't do anything.
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lol... we're the most powerful country in the world... and you think we have to wait for the Mexicans to clean up a problem that's spilling into our country?
 
BJ#1FAN said:
I don't care if they're Christian, muslim, or whatever.

What bothers me is the right is pushing for hard action on ISIS just because they're attacking Christians in Iraq. Eventually ISIS is going to use innocents as human shields, and are we going to keep bombing innocents to try and wipe out ISIS, like Israel is doing in Gaza?

Has nothing to do with my personal opinion on whether or not we should be airstriking (I do think we should be). I just don't want foreign policy to be predicated on whether or not these are christians.
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Think hard and think about it harder, why haven't they ask for their help, it is obvious?
 
AerchAngel said:
Come on, you are smarter than that.
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Hmm. We've twisted arms of many foreign leaders in the world.

Twisted Tony Blair's arm to do anything we asked in our War on Terror.
Used Mubarak as a puppet for 30 years.
In bed with the Saudi's for oil, while we look away at all of their human right's violations.
Were friends with Saddam and gave him weapons galore, until we didn't like him anymore.

And you're telling me, we can't twist the arms of Mexico, whom are literally right next door to us?
 
BJ#1FAN said:
Hmm. We've twisted arms of many foreign leaders in the world.

Twisted Tony Blair's arm to do anything we asked in our War on Terror.
Used Mubarak as a puppet for 30 years.
In bed with the Saudi's for oil, while we look away at all of their human right's violations.
Were friends with Saddam and gave him weapons galore, until we didn't like him anymore.

And you're telling me, we can't twist the arms of Mexico, whom are literally right next door to us?
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Nope. Again, think China.
 
I'm generally for granting asylum for those legitimately fleeing from oppressive regimes & desiring asylum here. Course, I may not be your usual Conservative on here.

I am in favor of humanitarian shipments to those suffering in Iraq, for tactical support offered to the Kurds (air-strikes and drone strikes), an division of Iraq (officially granting the Kurds their country).

You're not in favor of any of that Sav?
 
BJ#1FAN said:
Druglords and cartels do this regularly and have done so for years.

Do we care more about this in Iraq because they're Christians? Druglords and gangs and the cartel do it for money and intimidation. ISIS does it for religion.

And the only to stop it would be to send troops to stop them. Are you advocating sending troops on the ground? Only a matter of time until Isis uses human shields to prevent us from bombing innocents. Will we do the same thing Israel is doing? Knowingly bomb innocents to wipe out ISIS targets?
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While we don't bomb drug cartels per say, we still spend plenty of money and manpower in an attempt to take them down. And if you can't the tell the difference between the genocide taking place in Iraq currently and the random acts of murder with drug cartels (mostly retaliation driven), then there is no point arguing with you.

But to answer your question, I would be perfectly fine with giving anyone asylum as long as they went through the proper channels.
 
zitothebrave said:
ISIS killed about 5,500 people so far. Mexican Cartels kill about 10-20K per year (110K since escalation in 2008) ISIS is about 10K or so strong, the cartels have an army of about 100K.

Yeah the comparison is dumb cause the Cartels actually are scary. ISIS are just a pest.
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No what's dumb is that you group the Cartels into one entity and try to compare them to ISIS. The cartels are fighting/killing each other as much or more than they are killing innocent civilians.
 
uh, i think i am somewhat dumber after reading this thread

ending the drug cartels can be done with a swipe of a pen for the most part btw

still not sure why they are being compared etc in this thread with ISIS.

i am fine with all children from central america coming here as well as any Iraqi being persecuted by ISIS to stay on the original topic
 
Carp said:
No what's dumb is that you group the Cartels into one entity and try to compare them to ISIS. The cartels are fighting/killing each other as much or more than they are killing innocent civilians.
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Not even remotely true. They're killing anyone and everyone who stands in their way regardless of who they associate themselves with.
 
goldfly said:
uh, i think i am somewhat dumber after reading this thread

ending the drug cartels can be done with a swipe of a pen for the most part btw

still not sure why they are being compared etc in this thread with ISIS.

i am fine with all children from central america coming here as well as any Iraqi being persecuted by ISIS to stay on the original topic
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gold, friend, I think this is your best post ever. Slainte!
 
We (USA) are air-dropping water and food to 40,000 people - Yazidis, not Christians - who are the direct target of genocide. Why this bothers Sav, I do not know. Sad.

We are using very limited - very limited - airstrikes to protect the 40,000 Yazidi and to help the Kurds (and thus the 100,000 Christians refugees in Kurdistan). Why this bothers anyone other than ISIS or their supporters, is beyond me.

Can we also help children in true need fleeing from Drug Cartels? Why not?

Can we better support the veterans? It's our obligation. Why not?

Again, I don't get it.
 
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