Ferguson....

[sturg33]

Sturg seems to be an easily influenced person. First he was as staunch of a Republican as it gets and then he fell in love with Ron Paul.

Clearly a really bright guy (Sturg) but when is the next time he changes his philosphy?

I know, right? Been on the board for 12 years and shifted my political views to libertarian as I became smarter and read a bit more. I'm probably gonna go full blown socialist tomorrow though.

 

[AerchAngel]

Very possible or it could be the real story. Whichever side you fall down on is probably going to be the story you believe.

His initial story though doesn't seem to work with the autopsy results. Whatever the true story is we can almost be assured his first story was not plausible.

1. Based on the cops past I think he feared for his life and was overzealous and the situation blown up to him. which he should lose his badge only but not charged.

2. D Johnson saw a scuffle and I lean to think he thought the cop probably grabbed and did not see Brown initiated the contact, this is plausible.

3. A gun shot would make a person run away from the car and knowing the police had a gun trained on him, he turned around hands up and the cop lost his mind and fired making his head fall forward and when adrenaline flows kept firing, got him in the top of the head

or

Brown charged him (which would be the most stupidest thing you would do in that situation)

#3 is the one that has me on the fence. Either scenario is really plausible based on all witnesses, not just D Johnson. I do not reserve judgment either way until this is cleared up and others should do the same.

 

[gilesfan]

the ones that scream about tyranny

uh, yeah it actually does. do you not understand what the 2nd amendment is actually about?

It says you can keep and bear arms. I don't see "you can shoot police officers for trying to protect your city"

 

[gilesfan]

Of course, anyone with half a brain saw this coming.

As soon as the autopsy showed 2 of the most vocal eyewitnesses were full of ****, their stories crumple.

Nice job looting over a dumbass criminal attacking a cop, Ferguson residents.

 

[Krgrecw]

Aa,

4). The guys saw the cop and didn't want to go to jail so Brown rushed the cop, broke the cops eye socket then Brown walked away. Cop pointed his gun and said 'freeze' and then Brown charged him again and was shot repeatedly since the cop was in fear for his Life.

The multiple shots fired by the cop would make since, given that the cop only had one eye open and was probably using his other hand to stop the bleeding coming from his eye socket

 

[thethe]

What a shame all these businesses lost money because of a criminal.

 

[jpx7]

What a shame all these businesses lost money because of a criminal.

How can that really be your take-away?

 

[thethe]

How can that really be your take-away?

What is my take away supposed to be?

These business owners have families too you know.

 

[Tapate50]

How can that really be your take-away?

It shouldn't be the only take away, but it is a take away. There are many though.

 

[jpx7]

Privilege in variety: Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person…:

As you can see, belonging to one or more category of Privilege, especially being a Straight White Middle Class Able-Bodied Male, can be like winning a lottery you didn’t even know you were playing. But this is not to imply that any form of privilege is exactly the same as another or that people lacking in one area of privilege understand what it’s like to be lacking in other areas. Race discrimination is not equal to Sex Discrimination and so forth.

And listen, recognizing Privilege doesn’t mean suffering guilt or shame for your lot in life. Nobody’s saying that Straight White Middle Class Able-Bodied Males are all a bunch of assholes who don’t work hard for what they have. Recognizing Privilege simply means being aware that some people have to work much harder just to experience the things you take for granted (if they ever can experience them at all.)

 

[Hawk]

The NYT continues to dump on Obama: Shared Vision, Varying Styles



Mr. Obama, 53, is the one seemingly holding back in the White House photograph, contemplative, even brooding, as if seeking to understand how events could get so out of hand. He was too young and removed to experience the turmoil of the 1960s, growing up in a multiracial household in Hawaii and Indonesia. As he now seeks balance in an unbalanced time, he wrestles with the ghosts of history that his landmark election, however heady, failed to exorcise.

 

[Hawk]

If what gilesfan posted is true, it's funny how local radio has broken the two major stories of the week: Officer Wilson's 'friend' Josie's side of the events on KFTK in STL, and now KFNS in Troy (MO) with news of Dorian Johnson's purported turning.

 

[Tapate50]

The NYT continues to dump on Obama: Shared Vision, Varying Styles



Mr. Obama, 53, is the one seemingly holding back in the White House photograph, contemplative, even brooding, as if seeking to understand how events could get so out of hand. He was too young and removed to experience the turmoil of the 1960s, growing up in a multiracial household in Hawaii and Indonesia. As he now seeks balance in an unbalanced time, he wrestles with the ghosts of history that his landmark election, however heady, failed to exorcise.

Dude must LOVE apples.

 

[AerchAngel]

Aa,

4). The guys saw the cop and didn't want to go to jail so Brown rushed the cop, broke the cops eye socket then Brown walked away. Cop pointed his gun and said 'freeze' and then Brown charged him again and was shot repeatedly since the cop was in fear for his Life.

The multiple shots fired by the cop would make since, given that the cop only had one eye open and was probably using his other hand to stop the bleeding coming from his eye socket

don't hold weight, sorry. Why would he turn around and charge a person with a weapon, he was shot up to 35 feet away according to what information we know? If his eyes was damaged that bad and the pain that terrible, I do not think he would even shoot accurately with a perfect head shot.

Like I said, you made your mind up, I haven't. You are pulling all the information you can to support your story. I have not and not rushed to condemn any side, just waiting for the actual truth from actual sources and not twitter, right wing blogs, left wing blogs or speculation/opinion pieces.
You have to be on high doses of PCP related drugs thinking you can shrug off bullets.

 

[thethe]

How does this case involve white privlege?

The kid robbed a convenience store and physically assaulted a cop.

 

[jpx7]

How does this case involve white privlege?

The kid robbed a convenience store and physically assaulted a cop.

You obviously didn't read the article if you're asking that sort of question.

But, to humor you: it's entirely possible—even assuming your preferred version of events is correct—that the police officer in question would have been more reticent to defuse this violent but non-lethal situation with rapid lethal force if the perpetrator wasn't so easily visually pigeon-holed as a potential "thug".

 

[gilesfan]

Privilege in variety: Explaining White Privilege To A Broke White Person…:

This is totally irrelevant. People are trying to push this agenda, but the real story is a criminal attacked a cop and got shot. THat would happen if Brown was white, black, Mexican, or muslim.

YOur point of view is based on the notion that is was an unjustified shooting in which case Brown was targeted.

 

[gilesfan]

You obviously didn't read the article if you're asking that sort of question.

But, to humor you: it's entirely possible—even assuming your preferred version of events is correct—that the police officer in question would have been more reticent to defuse this violent but non-lethal situation with rapid lethal force if the perpetrator wasn't so easily visually pigeon-holed as a potential "thug".

So if a 300 pound white man punched him in the face and charged him, the officer wouldn't have shot? IS that your point of view?

 

[jpx7]

How does this case involve white privilege?

Another example:

The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake reported a new Pew poll revealed considerably more African Americans than whites say the shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer “raises important issues about race” (80 percent of blacks compared with 37 percent of whites).

Given such differences in the perception of a national news event, there’s some glaring cultural illiteracy when the top law enforcement officer installed by the governor of Missouri is being accused of throwing up gang signs. This actually makes Johnson not unlike Brown himself — the publication of a photo of Brown flashing the peace sign, which was also misinterpreted as a gang sign, is what sparked #IfTheyGunnedMeDown. Part of the conversation surrounding Brown’s killing centered on black Americans being treated as foreigners in their own country or, in sociology-speak, being “othered.” Some would say black folks must constantly prove their humanity or, at the very least, explain black American culture — sometimes a comically Sisyphean task. Case in point: having to state that Missouri highway patrol captain Ron Johnson is not a gang member.

 

[jpx7]

So if a 300 pound white man punched him in the face and charged him, the officer wouldn't have shot? IS that your point of view?

Essentially, yes: it's much more likely the officer would not have shot a gun, shot to kill, or shot so many times were the perpetrator white.