All I've heard since 2009 is........

Julio3000 said:
The scarcity of ammunition owes itself to dumbasses buying ****loads of it because the industry is telling them that the gummint is going to outlaw it.
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Could have something to do with the DHS buying billions of rounds of ammo.

Should make everyone feel safe
 
zitothebrave said:
Yeah, US has almost as many guns as people. Probably more when you factor in illegal guns into the equation. There are almost as many guns as Cellphones in use.
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Yeah, I said it's less than half. It's more like a third. Apples and oranges.
 
Julio3000 said:
The scarcity of ammunition owes itself to dumbasses buying ****loads of it because the industry is telling them that the gummint is going to outlaw it.

Just to counter anecdote for anecdote, I bought my insurance through the exchange this year and am paying $50/month less than I did for a comparable, if slightly better plan last year. So, I guess that's $50 to protect myself from being put in one of those FEMA camps.
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If I wanted to buy health insurance by myself, it would be criminal how much I would have to spend. It's bad enough now even with my employer chipping in a little bit with employer being able to save some money because of the massive amount of people on the plan.
 
Julio3000 said:
To add some texture, it's worth noting that all of the countries you've mentioned have less than half the guns per capita than the US does. They also have stricter controls for licensing and ownership, and the variety of weapons and ammunition allowed for civilian ownership.
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True, but that's not really what I'm arguing against. If it's harder to get a gun, (or simply a specific type of gun) that isn't really affecting me too much. I only own one gun in fact.

The point is, that these nations are among the world's leaders in gun ownership, yet are very peaceful despite what gun control lobbyists would have you believe. They would rather tell the stats on Japan and Britain and tell you why guns should be banned.
 
Carp said:
True, but that's not really what I'm arguing against. If it's hard to get a gun, (or a specific type of gun) that isn't really affecting me too much. I only own one gun in fact.
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I'm not really sure what you are arguing. Countries that have a relatively high rate of gun ownership and have few gun deaths still have significantly lower gun ownership and significantly more restrictions than does the US.
 
There was a really good investigative article in the NYT a few years ago. I think I posted it in another gun debate. It explored how the gun death statistics are muddied in the US because many instances of, say, a young kid accidentally shooting a sibling or friend, for example, are actually classified as gun homicides and not gun accidents. At least 50% of them, IIRC. It was pretty illuminating. To me, it seems pretty simple—the more guns that are floating around, the more **** like that is going to happen.

One of the most salient points in the gun debate is how the NRA and the firearm industry (they're pretty much the same thing) have gone to the wall to prevent the accurate tallying of gun death statistics. Honestly, it seems like "toddler accidentally kills sister with gun" is more common than "homeowner protects family with firearm." I have kids. I think that, based on where I live, the odds of my protecting my family with a firearm are outweighed by the possibility of some innocent person being accidentally harmed by a gun in the household. You might calculate things differently, and that's fine. Own a gun, shoot it, and for the love of god, be responsible with it. You have a right to do so. But that doesn't mean that more guns = safety or that rational restrictions on the ownership of deadly weapon = tyranny. I think there's plenty of room for reasonable people to agree on this.
 
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