So... what now? Season is over and Hart broke our hearts.

[The Tariff King]

I always was under the assumption Wren and upstairs were pressuring Fredi to continue to play BJ.

I mean Gattis in left and Elliott Johnson make more sense being Fredi's moves than Wren.

 

[zitothebrave]

What's funny is the people screaming the loudest have argued that managers make minimal impact on games in the past. Now they think making a change is going to turn us into World Series contenders. The bigger issue is the poorly built roster, not how the manager uses them.

I don't care what we do to be honest, I doubt firing the manager is going to solve our problems though.

Great and terrible managers have that. Talent trumps all in the end. An idiot can run a team like the Dodgers and guide them to the playoffs. Your deviation comes from when you have a team like the Giants, who have 1 hitter on par with Justin/Fredi, 1 on par with Gattis and one a bit ahead of Jason, and a much weaker starting pitching, and they win 9 games more than us. could it be random luck? Entirely possible, but that drastic of a luck difference is supposed to normalize over 162 games. Giants composed a very good team with only 1 superstar (Posey) and we couldn't do it when we have 3 (2 offensive 1 combo offensive and defensive) that says a lot about our manager JMO.

 

[gtcway]

wow, another one that sees the light.

Now we see why he is gone. Warming up to keeping Fredi because I believe Wren managed this team, not Fredi.

If that's indeed the case, I'm okay with Fredi coming back next year. I never thought he was a top manager, but up until this year, I never really felt strongly for or against him.

 

[zitothebrave]

If Fredi didn't have the balls to take control of his team from Wren why woudl you want him back to be a puppet again?

 

[bravesnumberone]

The bigger question is this.

If Wren really was "forcing" Fredi to play the bastard, why did it take so long for the big boys to throw down on Wren?

 

[50PoundHead]

wow, another one that sees the light.

Now we see why he is gone. Warming up to keeping Fredi because I believe Wren managed this team, not Fredi.

I've thought that was indeed a possibility with both Uggla and M. Upton. I wouldn't necessarily keep Fredi around, but I had a feeling all year that Fredi was on a very tight leash as to who should be on the field.

 

[thewupk]

If Fredi didn't have the balls to take control of his team from Wren why woudl you want him back to be a puppet again?

Maybe Hart or whoever runs the ship won't put those restrictions on him?

 

[thewupk]

The bigger question is this.

If Wren really was "forcing" Fredi to play the bastard, why did it take so long for the big boys to throw down on Wren?

He wasn't going to get canned during the season especially after what the team has done the last few years and where we were in in the season until the last 5 weeks or so. That and it's the Braves style to wait until the season is over.

 

[zitothebrave]

Maybe Hart or whoever runs the ship won't put those restrictions on him?

I severely doubt that. If Wren was playing puppet master then may be Fredi is entirely too incompetent.

 

[Dalyn]

The bigger question is this.

If Wren really was "forcing" Fredi to play the bastard, why did it take so long for the big boys to throw down on Wren?

And why did we still get the ****ty lineups after they fired Wren?

 

[zitothebrave]

And why did we still get the ****ty lineups after they fired Wren?

Or the other crap that kept happening.

 

[thewupk]

I severely doubt that. If Wren was playing puppet master then may be Fredi is entirely too incompetent.

Who knows. It honestly doesn't matter who was playing with the team we had. We have garbage hitters.

 

[zitothebrave]

I wouldn't call Freddie, Jason Gattis, or Justin garbage. Sure SImmons, Lossman, and Johnson sucked. And Uggla was a disaster, but we replaced him with adequate 2B.

 

[thewupk]

I wouldn't call Freddie, Jason Gattis, or Justin garbage. Sure SImmons, Lossman, and Johnson sucked. And Uggla was a disaster, but we replaced him with adequate 2B.

La Stella was about average. Nothing wrong with that. And it's not the fact that Simmons, BJ, CJ, and for half the year Uggla were bad. They were worst at their position bad.

 

[emk418]

La Stella was about average. Nothing wrong with that. And it's not the fact that Simmons, BJ, CJ, and for half the year Uggla were bad. They were worst at their position bad.

Exactly..nothing wrong with average. If we got average production out of 2B, SS, 3B, CF we make the playoffs.

 

[thewupk]

Exactly..nothing wrong with average. If we got average production out of 2B, SS, 3B, CF we make the playoffs.

Even below average production would be fine. Instead we got a steaming pile of ****.

 

[Heyward]

Great and terrible managers have that. Talent trumps all in the end. An idiot can run a team like the Dodgers and guide them to the playoffs. Your deviation comes from when you have a team like the Giants, who have 1 hitter on par with Justin/Fredi, 1 on par with Gattis and one a bit ahead of Jason, and a much weaker starting pitching, and they win 9 games more than us. could it be random luck? Entirely possible, but that drastic of a luck difference is supposed to normalize over 162 games. Giants composed a very good team with only 1 superstar (Posey) and we couldn't do it when we have 3 (2 offensive 1 combo offensive and defensive) that says a lot about our manager JMO.

Giants have a pretty solid lineup.

Posey, Belt, 2B, Crawford, Panda, Morse, Pagan/Blanco, Pence is MILES better than our lineup.

 

[zitothebrave]

Belt and Sandoval had slightly above average production for their positions, and I could go on.

What made the Giants offense better was that they limited damage from turds, like Arias and Hicks.