Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Don't act like there isn't a huge difference in them being somewhere in the lineup and them being at the top getting the most at-bats, the most chances to kill rallies.
Another reason I can't stand Bobby Cox!!!!
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Don't act like there isn't a huge difference in them being somewhere in the lineup and them being at the top getting the most at-bats, the most chances to kill rallies.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Don't take my comments to mean I think Fredi is a maestro, but how would anyone have stacked this line-up to make it more productive? They moved La Stella up and he didn't hit the way he did when he was lower in the order. I suppose you could have had Heyward lead off, but if your 5 through 9 is Johnson, Simmons, La Stella/Gosselin, M. Upton, and the pitcher (and let's not forget Gattis isn't in the line-up everyday, so Laird or Bethancourt join the party), do you even bother coming in from the field for the half-inning you'll be attempting to hit? There may have been a difference, but I don't think it would have been a huge difference. The pressure on the other 4 guys would have been tremendous and you'd basically be giving the opposing pitcher every other inning off.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
It wasn't working and Fredi kept doing it and doing it and doing it. Instead of giving the opposing pitcher every other inning off, he gave them every other (opposing) at-bat off. That's why we rarely put up big innings.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
But here is the thing. half the lineup underperformed all year. Can't win games like that consistently. Johnson had a bad year as did Simmons, Heyward was off ofensively, and BJ was BJ. The only two that performed with the bat were Justin and Freddie.
57Brave
Well-known member
How many different lineups did the Braves use in 2014 ? And what is the norm for MLB.
I Googled and found nothing , Wondering if perhaps some of our more savvy information gatherers can help?
What managerial tendencies does Maddon posses that make him so intriguing and why are posters so sure he would fit?
Does he promote a running game? Is he a sit back and wait for a 3 run homer guy? How does he handle a bullpen? Bullpen -
does he use set roles or is he a wing it guy? What about the book, is he willing to go against the book in situations?
I bet 99 of 100 posters here cant answer any of those questions
I Googled and found nothing , Wondering if perhaps some of our more savvy information gatherers can help?
What managerial tendencies does Maddon posses that make him so intriguing and why are posters so sure he would fit?
Does he promote a running game? Is he a sit back and wait for a 3 run homer guy? How does he handle a bullpen? Bullpen -
does he use set roles or is he a wing it guy? What about the book, is he willing to go against the book in situations?
I bet 99 of 100 posters here cant answer any of those questions
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
Maddon couldn't handle the NL. The double switch on a nightly basis would blow his mind. He likes to just sit back for nine innings and make a couple pitching changes a night. There is a reason why he complains about the DH rules every year.
57Brave
Well-known member
You can omly use JUpt, Freeman and Heyward once through the line up. That leaves 5 other players and the pitchers spot / bench.
There was bound to be 2 consecutive outs at the top of the order. Or two consect outs in the middle of the order or, give away 2 innings every time through the order.
Not sure what you expected ?
57Brave
Well-known member
I'm sure Maddon could handle double switches -- I mean, it ain't rocket science. Every poster on every baseball message board knows how to do it. I trust a veteran big league manager could figure it out on the fly
57Brave
Well-known member
Wonder if Bochy brings in Hunter Strickland tonight the talk of Maddon or even Fredi G doesn't reverberate through Giantdom !
Everybody choking of Bochy's joint and I don't get it. After Harpers 2nd HR I'da sat him down.
Has anyone seen Stricklands career? And Bochy keeps relying on him in a 7 game series??
What about that 1B in LF that hits lie BJ? What up with that
See guys if you get get out and look at other teams -- managing is not an exact science and sometimes he is left with only the cards he has.
Bill Lee once wrote about Don Zimmer " the main job of a manager is to be sure everyone is on the bus from the hotel to the park"
Everybody choking of Bochy's joint and I don't get it. After Harpers 2nd HR I'da sat him down.
Has anyone seen Stricklands career? And Bochy keeps relying on him in a 7 game series??
What about that 1B in LF that hits lie BJ? What up with that
See guys if you get get out and look at other teams -- managing is not an exact science and sometimes he is left with only the cards he has.
Bill Lee once wrote about Don Zimmer " the main job of a manager is to be sure everyone is on the bus from the hotel to the park"
57Brave
Well-known member
Why?
I'd love to have Stoya manage this team but, I can't give you a good reas... yes I can
For futures Jay, when discussing MLB they are called managers . Coaches collect the balls after BP, and throw BP and are usually no more than well paid travel companions
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
No. Not true.
57Brave
Well-known member
Then you have 2 consecutive outs in the middle of the order or 6 consecutive outs.
C'mon D, I know you get this . You have 2 1/2 threats out of 9 spots. Actually as streaky as one of those 3 are more often than not you have at the most, maybe 2 threats out of nine.
Sure bat them 1 and two -- or, try to catch lightening in a bottle.
On a sunny day
C'mon D, I know you get this . You have 2 1/2 threats out of 9 spots. Actually as streaky as one of those 3 are more often than not you have at the most, maybe 2 threats out of nine.
Sure bat them 1 and two -- or, try to catch lightening in a bottle.
On a sunny day
For those that asked, how was it Cox fault that FG is still here. Well if you don't believe the the reason FG still has a job is because of Cox I have a bridge to sell. It was clear Cox was behind him when he said FG had done an outstanding job it was just another example average being outstanding in Cox eyes. As for those that think a manager doesn't matter and therefore FG is as good as Maddon I still have that bridge for sale.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
Joe Maddon had BJ Upton hitting 2nd in the order the majority of the time he was in Tampa Bay. He must be a bad manager to have one of his worst hitters hitting 2nd in the order.
I've never understood the infatuation for Joe Maddon other than the fact that he supposedly accepts sabermetrics. Maddon is 781-729 (.517) in his managerial career. Fredi is 634-569 (.527) during his managerial career.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
We have to bring Maddon in, i'm sure he's gonna stay in tampa and he's just doing this for money but we have to go after him, that being said, I wouldn't be shocked if he's not going to amke a move for more control to be like manager and AGM
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Because BJ is the same player now as then, right?
2012 numbers as #2 hitter for Rays = .262 .312 .503 .815 Nearly a 30/30 season.
2011 numbers as #2 hitter for Rays = .356 .462 .644 1.106
2010 XXX Did not bat #2 XXX
2009 XXX Did not bat #2 XXX
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
If that percentage of your lineup is automatic outs and your GM won't get a better team, you put the best you can at the top no matter what and hope they can string together a couple good innings and have your pitchers pitch well enough to win. You don't instead pick the worst of the bunch and give them the most at-bats. That's ridiculous.