Please lock up Heyward - I am not kidding

AerchAngel said:
exactly.

He is our best player on the team and it is not close. He has had a slump (being hit in the face is terrible and it takes awhile to not flinch), which I might add not as terrible as some think, but he did not let it affect his other world defense.

Right now we don't have any players on our team outside of JH to command above 15 mil based on offense and defense and the intangibles.
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That's the hilarious thing about his post. He doesn't think Heyward is a great player, yet thinks we should give him superstar type money. Add on the rest of it and you have one terrible post.
 
BJ#1FAN said:
Considering the guy right next to him makes 15-17 million a season, and Jason puts up way better numbers on both sides of the game...
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lol so because BJ Upton got extremely overpaid by our old stupid GM, Jason should get that same treatment?
 
CyYoung31 said:
That's the hilarious thing about his post. He doesn't think Heyward is a great player, yet thinks we should give him superstar type money. Add on the rest of it and you have one terrible post.
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Superstar money? Yeah BJ Upton is sure a superstar huh?
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Superstar money? Yeah BJ Upton is sure a superstar huh?
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I guess less than 20 hr's less than 80 rbi's less than .290 avg and .840 ops with average defense is worth 20+ mil for a long term contract is okay that doesn't generate enough WAR to equal J-Hey.
 
AerchAngel said:
I guess less than 20 hr's less than 80 rbi's less than .290 avg and .840 ops with average defense is worth 20+ mil for a long term contract is okay that doesn't generate enough WAR to equal J-Hey.
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Not sure who or what you are referring to. I was simply addressing that moronic post that said I would offer Heyward "superstar" type money.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Not sure who or what you are referring to. I was simply addressing that moronic post that said I would offer Heyward "superstar" type money.
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We did offer and gave superstar money to a person I just gave you stats to. The same individual who's WAR is a full run less than Heyward's, for the career even more, who has signed a long term contract.

But I get it, it is all about offense and offense only. Baseball is played on both sides and J-Hey has it, the only one on the team that does.
 
AerchAngel said:
We did offer and gave superstar money to a person I just gave you stats to. The same individual who's WAR is a full run less than Heyward's, for the career even more, who has signed a long term contract.

But I get it, it is all about offense and offense only. Baseball is played on both sides and J-Hey has it, the only one on the team that does.
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Except Jason doesn't have both sides. He's the best RF in the game. I get that. His bat is average for his position. Freddie plays defense well enough and think of the plays he makes at first to dig out throws or stretch like nobody else in the game.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Except Jason doesn't have both sides. He's the best RF in the game. I get that. His bat is average for his position. Freddie plays defense well enough and think of the plays he makes at first to dig out throws or stretch like nobody else in the game.
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Still not as good as J-Hey overall and he will tell you that in your face. Getting hit in the face does things to you. Ask Stanton.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Not sure who or what you are referring to. I was simply addressing that moronic post that said I would offer Heyward "superstar" type money.
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You did say that. So, who's the moron? Just because we overpaid for a bust doesn't mean that 17 million a year isn't superstar type money. Are you really too dense to get that?
 
AerchAngel said:
We did offer and gave superstar money to a person I just gave you stats to. The same individual who's WAR is a full run less than Heyward's, for the career even more, who has signed a long term contract.

But I get it, it is all about offense and offense only. Baseball is played on both sides and J-Hey has it, the only one on the team that does.
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Because WAR is an accurate stat?

Lol. Keep thinking that.

Freeman had much better yr than Heyward. Again, if running and defense are your thing, let's spend significantly less and trade for Gardner.
 
CyYoung31 said:
You did say that. So, who's the moron? Just because we overpaid for a bust doesn't mean that 17 million a year isn't superstar type money. Are you really too dense to get that?
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There are plenty of players across baseball who fall into that salary range. I guess you and I have differing opinions on the word superstar. You can't possibly be completely clueless here then. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that we have a different idea of what a superstar is.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
There are plenty of players across baseball who fall into that salary range. I guess you and I have differing opinions on the word superstar. You can't possibly be completely clueless here then. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that we have a different idea of what a superstar is.
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I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt when I don't delete every single one of your posts.
 
yeezus said:
I wish there was a "no thanks" because I hate this post.

First, you opening sentence doesn't make sense. If we paid him what we paid Freddie, he's worth it. He's worth just as much to this team IMO. And that's not necessarily top-10 money.

Second, I wouldn't call him "light hitting." 40 XBH isn't terrible. He's still just 25, which is crazy, and hit 27 homers in 2012. So it's not like he's a singles hitter, and I don't think he's a finished product by any stretch. His HR/FB was ridiculously low, and part of that is definitely because he wasn't making great contact sometimes which is a problem.

Lastly, on the Gardner comment...what's the point in even saying that? Gardner is no where near the game-changer defensively that Heyward is. Heyward is much younger, more athletic, with a way higher upside. Gardner would also prob get 16-18 mil in FA for too many years and end up being a poor contract after half of it. Heyward has a much better chance to be worth $20 mil over the length due to his age and all-around game.
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Granted lite hitting is a little misleading, but his last 2 seasons just aren't you would expect offensively for a RFer. He hasn't had a "great" offensive season in 2 yrs. I realize he is young, but we have 5 yrs of data to go on. I think you we have a realistic idea is what to expect. And offensively, I just don't find that to be worth 120+ million.

He's already missed a lot of games to injury. Call them flukey if you wish, but when investing top dollar with a limited budget, it's a legitimate concern. And what sort of affect are all these injuries going to have on his body going forward? We know how hard he plays on D and the base paths as well. It takes a toll on the body.

Gardner was returning from injury and played mostly CF (played it well I might add). But don't act like it's some huge stretch to assume Gardener would be one of the best defenders in the game if he played RF. He was already the best LF defensively and has been good in CF as well. Regardless, substitute Will Venable or some other random great defensive reputation player who can hit a little. Either way the point remains.
 
Heywards wRC+ the last 3 seasons

2012 (great season by your post) 121
2013 - 120
2014 - 110

Admittingly compared to other seasons 2014 is a downer, his power was down, which primarily can be contributed to a crazy drop in HR/FB, before this year he was at his lowest of 13%, this year was 6.5%. I'd say the odds of that continuing are slim. I think Jason is a prime candidate (if he's healthy) to "break out" which for him basically means pieces fall together, where he has his old power, but mixed in with his improved strikezone recognition.
 
The thing about Jason as a hitter is, he's been so inconsistent, but shown flashes of greatness. The past two years to start the season have been a train wreck. Remember this year in April he hit .200. Last year he hit .121 in April and .178 in May before turning it around. Then of course there have been the fluke injuries along the way (not blaming him) which have stopped the momentum. Overall, I think we desperately need to sign him long term, these defensive numbers are amazing, and he just stole 20 bases (can you believe he only stole 2 the previous year).
 
I can't believe he only stole 2 the year before. 2013 was such a weird year for him, from a peripheral standpoint, he was much better in 2013 than 2012, his BB rate up, K rate down, if his BABIP was the same as in 2012 he would have been a superior hitter, and that's with the fluke injuries.

I think 2015 will wind up being the year he puts it together if he stays healthy. If he just had his 13% HR/FB, he hits 22 homers instead of 11. Lets' say 4 of his homers wound up being doubles and the other 7 were outs (which is almost certainly not the case)

That moves his line to .283/.362/.447

When you factor in his defense and the current pitcher era we're in, that's a fantastic line, and fairly likely line too.
 
I dont think he re-signs, i think he wants to test the FA market.

I'd give him 20-25 mil a year.
 
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