Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

Fwiw, our scouts apparently love Miller and Jenkins. McDowell thinks Miller can be a 2\high no 3 pitcher with some tweaking. Said he wants to work with him on CU which is doable...

I trust our scouts and our pitching coaches ability to refine Miller\Jenkins game a bit.
 
Tapate50 said:
So you actually think the Braves didn't take the best offer available?

This place is the greatest.
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The Braves wanted cheap major league ready pitching. They got that in Miller. Is it the best overall deal? Probably not. The Braves traded Tex to the Angels for Kotchman because they wanted a major league ready 1B. This is similar to that. I guarantee you that was not the best deal available. It's just the one that fit what the Braves were looking for.
 
nsacpi said:
Hart's own words are a clue. With respect to Justin Upton he uses the word "conversations." With Heyward he uses the word "assumption." If he had reached out and made a phone call to Jason's agent that would be a conversation. It is not hard to deconstruct this. Just look at the words Hart is using.
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Exactly.
 
Heyward said:
Shelby Miller and Jenkins who isnt that good for Heyward and our best RP?

Yes, there were better offers than that.
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Like?

Walden wasn't our best reliever, either.

Jenkins has as high of a ceiling as anyone in our system. High upside guy.
 
thewupk said:
He played there in winter ball already. It hasn't helped.
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he's got all of 47 starts in the outfield in his major league career. he had basically a month's worth of starts in left in the minors.

holy smokes. the guy may be awful, but he can learn. left field is about the easiest position to play in baseball. it's really not that hard if you can see.
 
Gotta laugh at people who take every word of media posturing as absolute truth, then call the one they dislike most a liar.

There is no way this happened without both sides knowing what they were looking at, and there is no way the Braves traded Heyward without exploring the market. There is also no way Heyward and his agent were going to allow the Braves to portray him as greedy and unreasonable.

None of you know who said what to whom and when they said it, despite your proclaiming yourselves to be all knowing and clairvoyant. You also don't know what trades were available, and who was offering what. I suspect that every team knows what Heyward wants in his next contract, and teams were reluctant to give the Braves a big offer if they don't think they can sign him.
 
chipchildress said:
he's got all of 47 starts in the outfield in his major league career. he had basically a month's worth of starts in left in the minors.
holy smokes. the guy may be awful, but he can learn. left field is about the easiest position to play in baseball. it's really not that hard if you can see.
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Dunn and Klesko say hello. Some guys are built for DH. Gattis is one of those players.
 
Some of these Hart quotes... just irks me that much more:

Trading the massively gifted Heyward for Miller, whom Hart characterized as “a No. 3 or 4 starter” on this staff, showed how few options the Braves had. (Who wants B.J. Upton at even two cents on the dollar?) “Jason’s a tremendous player,” Hart said. “My sense was that Jason was going to be out on the free-agent market after next year. He was a very short-term fit for us.”
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“I can’t speak for what people think,” Hart said. “Some people will applaud the deal; some people will be heartbroken … I just don’t know that Jason was going to stay here. We would not have been where we wanted to be had we played this out and not solved our starting pitching dynamic. Our farm system is not that strong, and Jason Heyward was going to be a one-year guy.”
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“We didn’t see a better option that was out there.”
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So Hart thinks he got us a #3 or 4 starter. Well done, sir!!
 
Dalyn said:
They obviously took the best offer available RIGHT NOW. It's November. NOVEMBER.
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So it is... Im sure they could have waited, but that is no guarantee the offers would have been better.

The J upton trade comes to mind. It wasn't pretty at the end over there.
 
thewupk said:
I'd have to now what other team were offering. But I think trading Heyward this early suggests they just wanted to move him as quickly as possible which means not getting the best deal.
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My guess is the best offer was Shelby Miller and the kid with Heyward stock diminishing.
Pretty sure Hart took the best deal out there. Yeah they moved quickly but the longer they waited ... maybe they don't even get Shelby Miller !
Again, I hate seeing Heyward moved but he's not worth much more.

We aren't talking Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas here.
 
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