Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

This is from fangraphs:

The team tried to re-sign Heyward when they spent last year locking up their young core, but found his price prohibitive, so he almost certainly wasn’t staying in Atlanta beyond the 2015 season, and the Braves probably aren’t good enough to be pushing all of their chips in for the upcoming season.

SO is Fangraphs now making things up or did the Braves really try and extend him last year?
 
I love Justin Upton. Let me just say that. But, if they chose him over Heyward, then that is a mistake IMO.

I haven't read all of the DOB interview, but I'm guessing Heyward is pissed and the Braves didn't do their due diligence.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Which part?
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This:

Why aren't there riots outside of Turner Field right now? This is the kind of decision that should get Hart ran out of town on a rail.

This is a Ruthian-like deal. And I stand by that statement.

Are you suggesting we just traded away Babe Ruth?
 
With the exception of Albert which was a smart move, they've extended everyone they wanted too.

Now will they give him 22-25 mil a year if thats what he wants, is a better question.

Holliday comes off the books in 2016 or 2017 and Peralta's deal is backloaded, so they got options.

Guess we'll see.
 
thethe said:
When Heyward hits free agency his price is going to soar. Teams are foolishly over paying for defensive WAR when its not close to being a reliable metric.
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Right. Teams who have professionals that know more than most people on these boards are going to foolishly overpay for an unreliable metric. If most of baseball thinks it's worth something then that should tell you something. Again, this isn't 1980. Baseball has changed. Apparently since the Johns and Bobby are from this era they haven't caught up with the times.
 
thethe said:
This is from fangraphs:

The team tried to re-sign Heyward when they spent last year locking up their young core, but found his price prohibitive, so he almost certainly wasn’t staying in Atlanta beyond the 2015 season, and the Braves probably aren’t good enough to be pushing all of their chips in for the upcoming season.

SO is Fangraphs now making things up or did the Braves really try and extend him last year?
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Fangraphs or Jason Heyward. Hard to say which one would know...
 
thethe said:
This is from fangraphs:

The team tried to re-sign Heyward when they spent last year locking up their young core, but found his price prohibitive, so he almost certainly wasn’t staying in Atlanta beyond the 2015 season, and the Braves probably aren’t good enough to be pushing all of their chips in for the upcoming season.

SO is Fangraphs now making things up or did the Braves really try and extend him last year?
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I'm not of fangraphs source on that. Mine is currently Heyward, and I'm not sure why he'd lie. Hart also never explicitly said they had long-term discussions.
 
thewupk said:
When has he been 'average'? I hope your not talking about 2012 and 2013 when his offense was essentially the same despite certain counting numbers.
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Again, the same argument that you made with Mac.

Overall numbers are down because PED's are slowly being weeded out of the system. A clean player (which I think Heyward is) should increase his OPS+ and WRC+ in this new climate.
 
thethe said:
And some people think Heyward is good while having an OPS in the low 700's because of an inexact number which gives a crazy amount of value to defense.
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Heyward is good. And if the league average OPS is 650 and your in the low 700's that's quite a bit better than average, no?
 
thewupk said:
Apparently since the Johns and Bobby are from this era they haven't caught up with the times.
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Maybe that's why the Braves just keep getting further and further away from a championship and the teams that have evolved keep winning them multiple times over.
 
CyYoung31 said:
I love Justin Upton. Let me just say that. But, if they chose him over Heyward, then that is a mistake IMO.

I haven't read all of the DOB interview, but I'm guessing Heyward is pissed and the Braves didn't do their due diligence.
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If it makes any sense.

I think Justin is a safer bet than Heyward but Heyward obviously has the bigger long-term upside.

You know what he'll give you.
 
thewupk said:
Heyward is good. And if the league average OPS is 650 and your in the low 700's that's quite a bit better than average, no?
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Sure, and I've said that overall Heyward is really good player.

I haven't been trying to argue that he isn't a scrub. He will get a huge deal because of how talented he is.
 
NYCBrave said:
This is exactly what I'm saying. While all these extensions were being handed out like gravy, and somehow Heyward and the Braves only agreed on a 2 year deal, I thought that was a sure fire sign that he was NOT interested in extending long term, and he wanted to test free agency.
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You can think what you want. But Heyward came out and said exactly what happened last off season. If you wish to not believe him then that's on you.
 
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