Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

[thethe]

Fangraphs is speculating.
Jason Heyward would know more, I'd think.

I'm sure Jason knows exactly what happened. I just think its insane that we are automatically assuming that he has told the whole truth.

 

[thewupk]

This is from fangraphs:

The team tried to re-sign Heyward when they spent last year locking up their young core, but found his price prohibitive, so he almost certainly wasn’t staying in Atlanta beyond the 2015 season, and the Braves probably aren’t good enough to be pushing all of their chips in for the upcoming season.

SO is Fangraphs now making things up or did the Braves really try and extend him last year?

I think they are making assumptions like most everybody else was when the two year deal was signed. Did it ever come out that he turned down a long term deal? Or did people assume it?

 

[yeezus]

So I'm sure Fangraphs doesn't have any reliable sources within the Braves front office and in baseball at all.

They didn't even reference a source.
Our source is the guy that the rumors are about.
Willful ignorance.

 

[thethe]

I guess they would rather give a combined 20 million to BJ and CJ.

They fired the guy that did that. Maybe they had something to do with the deal in the first place but I'll never know that either.

 

[yeezus]

I think they are making assumptions like most everybody else was when the two year deal was signed. Did it ever come out that he turned down a long term deal? Or did people assume it?

Yup, they are most likely speculating.

 

[BremanFan88]

Because people shouldn't care that much about sportsball.

You know you want them to win a championship so we can riot Lakers style.

 

[NYCBrave]

You can think what you want. But Heyward came out and said exactly what happened last off season. If you wish to not believe him then that's on you.

So you honestly believe that the Braves front office is so dumb that they 1) didn't even bother to check with Heyward about an extension or 2) didn't think Heyward was good enough to have on the team?

 

[thethe]

I think they are making assumptions like most everybody else was when the two year deal was signed. Did it ever come out that he turned down a long term deal? Or did people assume it?

So you think they signed Heyward to a 2 year extension without ever discussing what it would take for a long term deal? This is the same offseason where they handed out over 300M dollars.

 

[yeezus]

So you honestly believe that the Braves front office is so dumb that they 1) didn't even bother to check with Heyward about an extension or 2) didn't think Heyward was good enough to have on the team?

So Heyward is lying then?

 

[BremanFan88]

So I'm sure Fangraphs doesn't have any reliable sources within the Braves front office and in baseball at all.

So Jason is a liar.

 

[yeezus]

So you think they signed Heyward to a 2 year extension without ever discussing what it would take for a long term deal? This is the same offseason where they handed out over 300M dollars.

Heyward said it was discussed...
..for a couple of minutes.
Again, I guess he's a liar.

 

[Gary82]

You know you want them to win a championship so we can riot Lakers style.

I'll watch it on TV.

 

[thewupk]

Again, the same argument that you made with Mac.

Overall numbers are down because PED's are slowly being weeded out of the system. A clean player (which I think Heyward is) should increase his OPS+ and WRC+ in this new climate.

Which is why he had a WRC+ of 120 despite a raw OPS number in the 700s. The raw number is not going to increase unless there is a change in the run scoring environment. Yes the WRC+ number will stay pretty constant. Heyward is 20% better then average mlb hitter.

 

[CyYoung31]

This:

Why aren't there riots outside of Turner Field right now? This is the kind of decision that should get Hart ran out of town on a rail.

This is a Ruthian-like deal. And I stand by that statement.

Are you suggesting we just traded away Babe Ruth?

No. I'm saying it has the makings of that kind of deal. The decision to not to keep a player like Heyward, especially getting what we did in return, could set this organization back 10 years.

It may not. We may still end contending without him. I would be be surprised if at the very least we don't end up regretting this deal big time though.

 

[zbhargrove]

I'm not of fangraphs source on that. Mine is currently Heyward, and I'm not sure why he'd lie. Hart also never explicitly said they had long-term discussions.

Heyward did say they had discussions... talked about "10 minutes" he said.

 

[yeezus]

So what's the plan in the OF moving forward?
No prospects, no money for anyone good.
Garret Anderson still around?

 

[emk418]

This is entertaining. I just find it comical that anyone truly believes Hart did not have a clear idea of what Heyward needed to re-sign

 

[Heyward]

No. I'm saying it has the makings of that kind of deal. The decision to not to keep a player like Heyward, especially getting what we did in return, could set this organization back 10 years.

It may not. We may still end contending without him. I would be be surprised if at the very least we don't end up regretting this deal big time though.

Depends who they eventually replace him with barring a miracle he re-signs back with us.

And who he signs with and how he does going forward.

Could certainly bite us in the ass though for sure.

 

[Heyward]

So what's the plan in the OF moving forward?
No prospects, no money for anyone good.
Garret Anderson still around?

This is the better question, we have some money now but not enough for anyone good.

Maybe a 2-yr stop-gap type.

 

[yeezus]

This is entertaining. I just find it comical that anyone truly believes Hart did not have a clear idea of what Heyward needed to re-sign

There isn't ANYTHING that says Hart himself spoke with anyone about it. Nothing. And we have the player saying it didn't happen.