Eric Garner doesn't get justice

AerchAngel said:
He would have been tazed.

Black people who are angered goes into HULK mode as white cops call it. My wife cuz says that. If he has to confront an angry black dude, and he is not a small person himself and trained in several karate disciplines, he still ask for backup. His lone run in with a meth up black is something he would not want to confront again. He tazed him to the point that the other cop was able to help him subdue him. He said if a black guy north of 250 and at least 6'2" or taller is something he does not want to mess with. He would shoot if they had a knife or gun, but each black person he confronted never had either but he never feared for his life. He might get his ask kicked but having backup is much safer.

He has common sense. He say dealing with whites is kind of easy as they are too whacked out to do anything and if they do, they are clumsy. The ones who hadn't do anything he is afraid of.

Oh he did mentioned, methheads never have weapons on them when they are high. THe ones protecting the labs is what they worry about (and pitbulls) and we have a lot of them in Wisconsin. His dog can sense the other dogs, he stayed put and brought in the squad.
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Taser might have been better. Of course that might have killed him too with his heart condition.
 
Garmel said:
Ah yes. The old, tired canard that I must be a racist because I have the gall to question a liberal. Of course I don't know what was in the heart of the cops. If you look at the original post I said "may not have been racially motivated". Do you know what the word "may" means? However, regardless of what you believe, the most logical assumption is that this was not racially motivated. It was overzealous and as you would put it, thuggish cops that got out of hand. As I said earlier(if you bother to look) the officer should have been indicted.
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I'm not calling you a racist because you are questioning me. I'm calling you one cause you don't think it's racially motivated. I don't care if this was black on black. There's a documented skew to the criminal justice system against blacks. Be it cops, judges, lawyers, etc. it's racially motivated for sure. If this had been some hipster in Williamsburg he never would have been harassed in the first place by the police.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'm not calling you a racist because you are questioning me. I'm calling you one cause you don't think it's racially motivated. I don't care if this was black on black. There's a documented skew to the criminal justice system against blacks. Be it cops, judges, lawyers, etc. it's racially motivated for sure. If this had been some hipster in Williamsburg he never would have been harassed in the first place by the police.
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Let's see. I'm a racist because I don't think it was racially motivated. Say what? Quit spinning, Zito.
 
Garmel said:
Let's see. I'm a racist because I don't think it was racially motivated. Say what? Quit spinning, Zito.
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I think it's quite clear that's the case. Anytime a cop goes out of their way to punish a black man that they wouldn't do to a white man, then it's racist, you can ignore that I don't care. You're obviously enjoying your isolated bubble from reality where all people are magically treated the same. Pretending race doesn't matter is the worst kind of racism.
 
zitothebrave said:
I think it's quite clear that's the case. Anytime a cop goes out of their way to punish a black man that they wouldn't do to a white man, then it's racist, you can ignore that I don't care. You're obviously enjoying your isolated bubble from reality where all people are magically treated the same. Pretending race doesn't matter is the worst kind of racism.
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"where all people are magically treated the same." Where did I say that? Zito, quit spinning. Just because racism does exist doesn't necessarily mean that racism exists in this case.
 
Garmel said:
Maybe, but it's better than living in a world where assumptions are facts.
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Assumptions like race isn't involved cause a black police officer is there.

Thank you for letting me go full circle on you there, took way less time than I expected.
 
zitothebrave said:
Assumptions like race isn't involved cause a black police officer is there.

Thank you for letting me go full circle on you there, took way less time than I expected.
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Or assumptions that I'm a racist because I don't believe this case is automatically racist in nature. Everything you deal with is assumptions and spin. Just like Tapate50 called it a "fantasy scenario". Most of the 90+ pages of crazed assumptions(delusions, maybe?) on the Ferguson page are from you. However, odds are that if a black officer is there in charge it's pretty easy to assume that racism isn't going on. I know basic reasoning skills can be hard but think about it.
 
There is no way to definitively say this was motivated by race. You can feel strongly that it may have been and I get that but there is no factual way to prove that is regardless of how many times you get on your soapbox.

The local businesses are the ones that called the cops on this guy and he was a repeated offender for the "awful" crime of selling loose cigarettes. The notion that a white person would have been left alone if in the same spot is laughable and just shows how racist some people are.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'm not calling you a racist because you are questioning me. I'm calling you one cause you don't think it's racially motivated. I don't care if this was black on black. There's a documented skew to the criminal justice system against blacks. Be it cops, judges, lawyers, etc. it's racially motivated for sure. If this had been some hipster in Williamsburg he never would have been harassed in the first place by the police.
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So if it was some white hipster who had been arrested several times for the same lame offense and the local businesses were calling the cops on him they would have never shown up? They would have never arrested him? What do you think would have happened?
 
thethe said:
So if it was some white hipster who had been arrested several times for the same lame offense and the local businesses were calling the cops on him they would have never shown up? They would have never arrested him? What do you think would have happened?
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Zito, Garmel is not racist. He might agree with some of their rhetoric, but he does not go out of the way to post like it, Thethe, Gilesfan and Kr, now they are covert or overt have racist tendencies to their post, especially Thethe, practically the whole board called him out and he doesn't get it. I first spotted his post as subliminal racism and he just reinforced his points in posting, Meta, Jeezus, BJ Fan even some of the Conservatives like me, even a libertarian like Sturg, we all see it.

When you use an intersect like "BUT" in your post, it tells you how a person feels about a situation that they "DON'T" agree with it and using it as a cop (no pun intended) out.
 
I guess black people who have said the most recent events weren't instances of racism are racists as well.

The term "racist" gets thrown around so much its scary. Someone who grew up in the 50's would have a completely different opinion of what a racist is.
 
The injustice blacks get in court is without question racist. If I allegedly committed a crime (didn't), I would want judge only, if you get a jury and you are what 1% of the population for the jury pool, you will be found guilty regardless of your innocence.

I do not believe judges are racists in general, but in Kentucky my friends say the white dealers get off easy and brag about it and effectively took them out of business knowing if they (black) get caught it is jail time, my cousin was one of them. His white partner got caught with so much Jane (several lbs), he got off, while the cuz, with less than 8 oz got 2 years (only serve six months). He should have been in jail, but his white counterpart got probation even though he was hit 4 times before and played the system.

So don't give me that schit about equal treatment if you commit a crime, it doesn't happen there and it doesn't happen here.
 
Well then those judges should lose their jobs.

I still don't see any evidence that what happened to Garner or Brown was motivated by race.

What happened to Garner was the result of an awful cop not understanding how to do their job with any common sense.
 
thethe said:
I guess black people who have said the most recent events weren't instances of racism are racists as well.

The term "racist" gets thrown around so much its scary. Someone who grew up in the 50's would have a completely different opinion of what a racist is.
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Like everyone said on this board, you have no F U C K I N G clue about racism. You live in your lily white world fantasizing with no blacks would be a great thing. No "ANIMALS" to deal with, no "THUGS" to deal with.

Yes we have to be accountable, but we have a lot of bad apples but you defending the actions of police is frightening. Yes you admit he should be indicted, but that "racism" reared his head with the "but if he didn't". GTFOOH. He did do it and as Zito said, people resist arrest all the time, some would get a Rodney King, but there are those who get the Garner treatment. I hear stories from my wife cousin on him having to use tasers on people all the time when resisting arrest, it is a common thing. He uses common sense, the MO cop and the SI cop didn't. Douchebags to the core. MO cop was right in shooting, but he lacked any intelligence in the whole situation, no job now, no benefits, because he was fu cking moron.

Son, keep your trap shut, every time you use "but" and defend a position, makes you guilty, which is every damn time.
 
Brown was an animal and thug. I never used those words about Garner.

The fact of the matter is nobody should be resisting arrest and you feel otherwise then I'm not sure what to say. Sadly, Garner was killed by a terrible cop.
 
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