The Gattis Thread...
- Thread starter clvclv
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This can be taken in many ways.
1. Hart is serious
2. More than likely though, some AL team could have come knocking with 2nd and 3rd tier prospects, and Hart replied "only if you take BJ"
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
So far, I'm pleased with how Hart is handling this week. Long way to go.
I've seen it in several twitter quotes, all of which may ultimately be from the same source. But I'm pretty sure the line, "The Braves want more for JUp then they got for Heyward, but while JUp is currently worth more than Heyward in today's market teams are reluctant to beat the Heyward return because they think the Cards overpaid," has been written in many places.
Certainly not worth arguing over though, and I'm definitely not about to go dig up a half dozen links to prove my point.
I don't discount the source of that original information, Jon Heyman, whose reporting skills I respect. Here is the quote you were looking for:
But here's the problem: Executives also believe the Braves got too much for Heyward, a defensive specialist whose offensive numbers are declining a bit. They see young pitcher Shelby Miller as an overpay, so no one wants to do better than that yet.
I'd just be wary about deriving any universality (especially one that blankets the entire industry) from a single aside ... from unnamed MLB executives.
If you could find another single source iterating the same or similar information, I'd be interested in reading.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I hope it's the latter; I don't think jettisoning Melvin is worth diminishing the return for Gattis.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Agreed. Plus it seems that others reporting that were using Heyman's piece. Heyman interestingly had just previously wrote a piece making pretty much the opposite argument too. I guess if you cover every base you're bound to be right on one of your arguments.
I see your point, but not sure I agree. Getting rid of BJ and even half of his salary opens up opportunities both to court free agents, and to take on salary $ in trades that are greater than you give up. Also, the emotional lift for the other guys to not have BJ on the field anymore would have some value.
VirginiaBrave
Well-known member
His health won't let him play that long in ten yrs he will be coaching jc ball.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
DOB said he would be a deal-breaker.
But i'd move Gattis regardless, him in LF is a disaster waiting to happen.
And next winter his value would be less.
I'd move him and stop trying to get a huge haul for him, it's Evan Gattis not Mike Trout.
But i'd move Gattis regardless, him in LF is a disaster waiting to happen.
And next winter his value would be less.
I'd move him and stop trying to get a huge haul for him, it's Evan Gattis not Mike Trout.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
You don't just trade Gattis for peanuts. I don't understand why he necessarily has to be in LF for us, anyway.
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
Yep, Hart may not get Saberhagen but he's gonna get Vizquel!
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
If we re-sign Harang, we may need those peanuts.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I guess now that they took my Heyward away (shout-out to [MENTION=137]Temo[/MENTION], wherever he is), I just don't hold unloading Melvin to be that immediately necessary: they likely won't be relieved of the entirety of his salary (I'd guess maybe half?), it certainly wouldn't seem to make extenting Justin any easier (if that's even a still thing), and I'm not really sure on whom they'd be in a rush to dump that liberated cash, anyways.
I'd rather the Braves receive more and better legitimate—preferably offensively-skilled—players in return for Gattis. Burton Judson can ride the pine; hell, maybe he even rebounds a bit, were he to make it into enough games, that the Braves don't have to pay as much down the line to have another team take him off their hands.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Harang may prefer to eat the bear himself.
tomahawkchop10
Gwinnett Bound
Completely agree. His value is being a such a good hitter for a catcher. Is his defense great behind the plate? No, but it's good enough. Will a big boy like him hold up behind the plate forever? No, but play him there for the next 3 years, then trade him for whatever you can get his last year when he's older and more expensive. I also dont think Bethancourt will ever be a decent hitter. Now if they insist on putting him in LF he probably should be traded cause his value in all likelihood go down.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I don't get the rush to move Gattis off catcher, Bethancourt will be lucky to be as valuable as Gattis was to us last year.
blueagleace1
Playing the Waiting Game
I understand you're reasoning but let me point this out to you and see if it changes your opinion. Heck, it might not.
Gattis's value is from being a RH middle-of-the-order power bat. It is an added bonus that he can catch and even play LF. When an AL team -such as the Rangers- look at Evan's value they see a guy with 30-40 home run potential who is under club control for 4 more season, for an extremely low amount given the production he gives you. His value will never be higher than it is now since he is still a "Pre-Arb" guy. Teams in the AL will value him more because they are able to give him more at-bats in a season by letting him be a everyday DH and then catching 1-2 times per week, all while keeping his bat in the lineup 95% of the time. He has an added value because he can catch NOT that he is an everyday catcher. If he were to be our full-time catcher next season with the intent of trading him next off-season and he goes and gets hurt again, causing him to only play 75 games then we have lost a ton of value for him, not to mention the fact that teams are going to presume he can't stay healthy for a full season, thus substantially diminishing the return we would get.
Hope I made sense... just my opinion.