nsacpi
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Good question about the money. But chances are a team like the Red Sox or Yankees is going to make a huge offer for Moncada.
Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects
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Good question about the money. But chances are a team like the Red Sox or Yankees is going to make a huge offer for Moncada.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
There is always a chance. But for a player like Dustin we are talking about low and lower.
DirkPiggler
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Since Hart is punting next year (and possibly 16 as well), I'd rather see him bank what we've saved off of last year's payroll and use it to buy out BJ's last two years at the end of next season. Of course that assumes that the front office isn't lying about payroll remaining the same as last year. McGuirk is still in charge, and the odds of his telling a lie go up to close to 100% whenever his lips move.
nsacpi
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I think as a group they are more valuable than the pick. But I agree with Badler about individually none of the players are worth more than the pick. I don't think any of the players we got would be drafted higher if they were available in next year's draft.
Deester11
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I definitely agree. I find myself waffling on it's OK, then I get upset that we waited around and manuevered to....THIS. I'm not adverse to the players per se, but we got played like a game of chess. To wit:
All of baseball knew we wanted to get rid of CJ/BJ and take the highest bidders for Gattis and Upton (Refuse to include Heywood..In this discussion). I would have rather gotten that so called stud pitcher/player immediately. The hand was played when we signed Markakis, Almonte and Toscano. I get trying to saddle another team with your albatross salaried non-productive players, but when they didn't bite, I would have structured something around higher potential players. Again, I'm not terribly upset over the players we got, but we didn't MAXIMIZE some things that IMHO we could have.
bravesnumberone
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So if this middle infielder is about on pastor or La Stella level then what's the point?
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
We have extended some of our young players though.
Exactly. If we end up getting Moncada I'll be thrilled. I think we should spend a large chunk of our remaining resources to get him.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Here is what they wrote over at BA about him:
He wasn’t a good fit this season at third when the Padres tried him there after the trade of Chase Headley, but he plays short well enough that he wouldn’t hurt a team playing there in spurts. He has some pop and profiles best as a lefthanded utility player who can play all the infield positions.
He's played mostly SS in the minors, so maybe it is just a matter of getting more reps at third.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
He's going to have opportunities to do a lot of random ****, that's for sure.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
I really think we needed this type of trade. We got one player with really high upside and another three players who are all very young with varying levels of upside. I think the real beauty of this deal is the options it allows is to have.
Our farm system was completely barren save Perazz, who is close, Sims, and Davidson, who aren't close. Other than poor financial flexibly we had no trading flexibility. Now this trade opens up possibilities of trading Fried and or Jenkins after they establish they are healthy, which would substantially increase theit value in comparison to what it is now. Or allow us to trade one or potentially two of Wood, Miller, Teheran, or Minor if our preference in the future is for one or two of Jenkins and Fried.
Similar with Peterson. He allows flexibility with himself or Perazza to be traded. The other Peterson and Smith are two prospects that are capable of substantially increasing their trade value based on their current plus hitting(Peterson) and plus plus speed(Smith). By the 2016 offseason one or both of these guys could be ready to play or be substantial pieces in a future deal.
This is not just about projecting future WAR, which I am a fan of. We have to take in to consideration future trade value which had a decent chance of improving regardless if they play well at the MLB or not.
Finally, for those who are saying this trade might not be worth the draft compensation; I suppose perhaps it's true, it certainly was when Texeria turned into Trout. That being said, I personally prefer what we got in this trade compared to our ENTIRE 2013 draft.
Our farm system was completely barren save Perazz, who is close, Sims, and Davidson, who aren't close. Other than poor financial flexibly we had no trading flexibility. Now this trade opens up possibilities of trading Fried and or Jenkins after they establish they are healthy, which would substantially increase theit value in comparison to what it is now. Or allow us to trade one or potentially two of Wood, Miller, Teheran, or Minor if our preference in the future is for one or two of Jenkins and Fried.
Similar with Peterson. He allows flexibility with himself or Perazza to be traded. The other Peterson and Smith are two prospects that are capable of substantially increasing their trade value based on their current plus hitting(Peterson) and plus plus speed(Smith). By the 2016 offseason one or both of these guys could be ready to play or be substantial pieces in a future deal.
This is not just about projecting future WAR, which I am a fan of. We have to take in to consideration future trade value which had a decent chance of improving regardless if they play well at the MLB or not.
Finally, for those who are saying this trade might not be worth the draft compensation; I suppose perhaps it's true, it certainly was when Texeria turned into Trout. That being said, I personally prefer what we got in this trade compared to our ENTIRE 2013 draft.
And would have extended another if not for the two awful contracts that we have on the books right now. These moves had to be made and all the parts that came back could end up contributing for the Braves over the course of the next 6-8 years at great cap numbers.
I'm sorry but that's crazy to group Northcraft with Jace, Dustin, and Smith. Northcraft has never projected to be anything more then a long reliever. Just because someone isn't a polished prospect or doesn't have Mike Trout's upside doesn't mean they aren't valuable pieces. Jace Peterson is going to be a very solid major leaguer. We've needed players like him. Smith has a lot of talent but needs to continue to progress and Dustin cannot be judged yet.
I wonder how much 2B he has played in his career. It'd be nice to be able to get him to back up all three positions. THat would have a lot of value. Gives us the ability to be really agressive with the remaining bench spots.
They're not familiar with the names. Therefore, the trade sucks and thread bloodletting continues.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
If all four of these players could be had for one pick, what # would they go?
I think the package is fine. Like I said, my biggest complaint is that we didn't extend Justin instead of this. But this doesn't feel like a bad consolation. There's no way we'd rather have one comp pick instead of these four players.
I believe we really wanted to trade BJ and work out a way for that team to pay a lot of his money, but no one wants to pay that contract without getting a really good player to do it. And maybe if we dealt BJ, we'd make JUp a substanial offer. There are a lot of what-ifs and possibilities, but this is not a poor group of prospects.
I think the package is fine. Like I said, my biggest complaint is that we didn't extend Justin instead of this. But this doesn't feel like a bad consolation. There's no way we'd rather have one comp pick instead of these four players.
I believe we really wanted to trade BJ and work out a way for that team to pay a lot of his money, but no one wants to pay that contract without getting a really good player to do it. And maybe if we dealt BJ, we'd make JUp a substanial offer. There are a lot of what-ifs and possibilities, but this is not a poor group of prospects.
CrimsonCowboy
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Matt Eddy @MattEddyBA 13m13 minutes ago
#Braves add $182,300 in international money in Upton trade. They added $974,000 in La Stella trade. Bonus pool now stands at $2,912,200.
#Braves add $182,300 in international money in Upton trade. They added $974,000 in La Stella trade. Bonus pool now stands at $2,912,200.
Sorry, but this is exactly why the trade was bad. "Solid major leaguers" can be acquired every offseason for a few million bucks. Hart could have signed KJ this offseason to provide whatever the 3B/2B rookie he just traded for would give the team. In fact, he did so when he signed Callaspo.
Studs win games, so I would much rather have 1 potential stud in the system than 4 potential solid guys. Freeman, JUp and Heyward are studs, and this team is not going to ever sign one as a FA, so they need to produce them internally.
Fact of the matter is Hart overplayed his hand and ended up taking whatever spare parts the Padres were willing to give them. The Padres GM somehow landed Kemp, Myers and JUp (3 studs) without giving up any of their top 3 prospects. All he gave up were spare parts that can be replaced at the drop of a hat any year. He did an outstanding job this offseason.
These players will NOT make the Braves contenders in 2017, and they certainly won't make the team competitive this year. Hart has neither retooled or rebuilt the team...he has regressed it.
There is going to be such a massive influx of talent into the farm system this year. Braves have always been strong in Latin america. This could turn into a star type player.