France attack...

Dalyn said:
For me, it has nothing to do with justification. I would prefer it if no one ever died a violent death again. If that's not possible, I would like no one close to me to ever die a violent death again. If that's not possible, I would like no one associated with me to ever die a violent death again. etc etc At some point in there it gets to why I'll take our government killing one of theirs over their government killing one of ours. It's not justified. It's not what I would prefer. But it's the closest to what I prefer as I can seem to get.
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Well, I believe - as does the CIA - that the two are related
 
Dalyn said:
Seems to me it fits exactly what you asked for.
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A little context ?
You only bolded less than 1/2 the sentence.
The whole sentence read

" He said they were motivated by extremist Islamist beliefs and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they were self-radicalized and unconnected to any outside terrorist groups."

To my reading that was an individual acting as an individual. Or, one brother bullying another if memory serves. Not exactly what I would define as radical Islamic Terrorism. Individual yes. Lone Wolf yes. But, to label them attached to a religion as a whole is kind of narrow to my mind.
Do we blame the OK City bombing to Christian Radicals?

By that definition we are to be wary of any & everyone that has brown skin and prays to Allah ?

If that is the case, they won. Everyday is a terrorist attack
Just as bin Laden predicted
 
57Brave said:
A little context ?
You only bolded less than 1/2 the sentence.
The whole sentence read

" He said they were motivated by extremist Islamist beliefs and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they were self-radicalized and unconnected to any outside terrorist groups."

To my reading that was an individual acting as an individual. Or, one brother bullying another if memory serves.

By that definition we are to be wary of any & everyone that has brown skin and prays to Allah ?

If that is the case, they won. Everyday is a terrorist attack
Just as bin Laden predicted
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So let's just ignore the overwhelming correlation to terrorism and Islam. That seems to be the prudent approach.
 
57Brave said:
A little context ?
You only bolded less than 1/2 the sentence.
The whole sentence read

" He said they were motivated by extremist Islamist beliefs and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they were self-radicalized and unconnected to any outside terrorist groups."

To my reading that was an individual acting as an individual. Or, one brother bullying another if memory serves. Not exactly what I would define as radical Islamic Terrorism. Individual yes. Lone Wolf yes. But, to label them attached to a religion as a whole is kind of narrow to my mind.
1. Do we blame the OK City bombing to Christian Radicals?

2. By that definition we are to be wary of any & everyone that has brown skin and prays to Allah ?

3. If that is the case, they won. Everyday is a terrorist attack
Just as bin Laden predicted
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1. People have.

2. No. That's a non-sequiter. But we could ask if there is a prevalent/popular interpretation of Islamic belief that does fuel such acts, and the answer is, "yes, yes there is."

3. They haven't. But denying or dismissing terrorist acts by committed jihadists doesn't mean we have won.
 
thethe said:
So let's just ignore the overwhelming correlation to terrorism and Islam. That seems to be the prudent approach.
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Is it overwhelming? We just had an attack that killed 12.
We have had elementary school shootings that were much more lethal
As horrible as the circumstances in Africa -- we bombed a country into the stone age and killed hundreds of thousands of innocents.

I saw a quote a few weeks ago that read a terrorist is someone with a bomb and not an Air Force.
We killed countless because of --- 19 men with box cutters ??
We have been in a ground war for over ten years because of 19 men with box cutters?

In baseball that is called "getting in someones hat"
Admit, they won
 
57Brave said:
Is it overwhelming? We just had an attack that killed 12.
We have had elementary school shootings that were much more lethal
As horrible as the circumstances in Africa -- we bombed a country into the stone age and killed hundreds of thousands of innocents.

I saw a quote a few weeks ago that read a terrorist is someone with a bomb and not an Air Force.
We killed countless because of --- 19 men with box cutters ??
We have been in a ground war for over ten years because of 19 men with box cutters?

In baseball that is called "getting in someones hat"
Admit, they won
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Again, its not the person that has the biggest stick that is the one in the wrong. Its the intention behind the use of that power which is where you trutly find guilt.
 
BedellBrave said:
1. People have.

2. No. That's a non-sequiter. But we could ask if there is a prevalent/popular interpretation of Islamic belief that does fuel such acts, and the answer is, "yes, yes there is."
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1) Do we get to brand you a Christomonic - Terrorist (by association ) ? You do after all preach the gospel and to some ears a very right wing brand of gospel. Substitute Bible for Koran and it kinda fits the description of Islamo-terrorists .

2) I wonder what bore that " prevalent/popular interpretation of Islamic belief " . Or if some one woke up in a tent one morning then while feeding his camel breakfast decided to declare jihad on the most armed country in the history of man kind
 
Do you people actually understand what is happening in Africa right now? How can any of this cause another thought but to go to war with this ideology?
 
thethe said:
Again, its not the person that has the biggest stick that is the one in the wrong. Its the intention behind the use of that power which is where you trutly find guilt.
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So now we get a little closer. Would you agree this generations brand of terrorism is a direct outgrowth of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Our Mid-East policies for the past 100 years? Not to mention the karma of the holocsot we perpetrated on Native Americans ?

Something about sin and stones
 
thethe said:
Do you people actually understand what is happening in Africa right now? How can any of this cause another thought but to go to war with this ideology?
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Have you not learned the past 15 years -- we as a nation are incapable of going to war against an ideology.
 
57Brave said:
Have you not learned the past 15 years -- we as a nation are incapable of going to war against an ideology.
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As a nation we cannot. That is why the moment has to come where the global community faces this evil head on and collaborates a joint effort to finally stop it.

Those who don't agree with this are without compassion in my opinion. To read about what is being done around the world and think anything other than these people need to be stopped is appalling. Please though, continue to muddle the waters with things that have nothing to do with the people that are committing these atrocities.
 
57Brave said:
A little context ?
You only bolded less than 1/2 the sentence.
The whole sentence read

" He said they were motivated by extremist Islamist beliefs and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that they were self-radicalized and unconnected to any outside terrorist groups."

To my reading that was an individual acting as an individual. Or, one brother bullying another if memory serves. Not exactly what I would define as radical Islamic Terrorism. Individual yes. Lone Wolf yes. But, to label them attached to a religion as a whole is kind of narrow to my mind.
Do we blame the OK City bombing to Christian Radicals?

By that definition we are to be wary of any & everyone that has brown skin and prays to Allah ?

If that is the case, they won. Everyday is a terrorist attack
Just as bin Laden predicted
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You didn't ask for someone connected to an outside terrorist group. You asked for an "Islamic radical attack" and that's exactly what the Boston Marathon bombing was. And YES, it would be prudent to be wary of anyone who prays to Allah, brown or otherwise. It's also prudent to be wary of anyone who prays period, but I think the ones praying to Allah are a more pressing concern right now.
 
57Brave said:
So now we get a little closer. Would you agree this generations brand of terrorism is a direct outgrowth of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Our Mid-East policies for the past 100 years? Not to mention the karma of the holocsot we perpetrated on Native Americans ?

Something about sin and stones
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Incredible, you found a way to bring up native Americans in a thread about Islamic terrorists. Do you even realize what you're doing before you do it?
 
The world is full of atrocities.
I just don't understand what it is about this brand of atrocity that so captures your passion as opposed to ...
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and our history with Native Americans does have bearing on this situation.
We, as the United States, have little moral high ground to be preaching about atrocities.
 
Dalyn said:
You didn't ask for someone connected to an outside terrorist group. You asked for an "Islamic radical attack" and that's exactly what the Boston Marathon bombing was. And YES, it would be prudent to be wary of anyone who prays to Allah, brown or otherwise. It's also prudent to be wary of anyone who prays period, but I think the ones praying to Allah are a more pressing concern right now.
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Much more pressing. If these people had it their way all of our women would be covered head to toe and we'd all be praying 7 times a day. Open your eyes people. This is the enemy.
 
thethe said:
As a nation we cannot. That is why the moment has to come where the global community faces this evil head on and collaborates a joint effort to finally stop it.
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Yep. That's why (or at least one of the reasons) Obama missing the boat on the whole going to France thing is a big deal.
 
thethe wants a never ending war.

We've been fighting this for a while. If today is the results of our efforts, then we should really re-focus our efforts
 
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