Okay hack away about tax income

zitothebrave said:
Well, odds are the people who pay income taxes aren't contributing much to roads as roads are traditionally maintained by gas taxes and IIRC property taxes for local streets.
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People who pay income taxes are more likely to pay property taxes, or at least more total dollars in property taxes, than those who pay no income tax.

That being said, the odds of someone poor living until they're old enough to collect medicare, SS, etc. is much lower than the odds of someone who's wealthy.
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And the odds of someone who is poor collecting SSI, or having a child who has paid nothing into the SS system doing so, are much higher than the odds of someone who's wealthy.

That being said, I don't have any desire to discuss the 50% any more. If you look at the numbers even a little, then you'll understand why it's stupid to cite as a problem when we have so many more issues.
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It's a drop in the bucket, no doubt. And I'm not one who believes we can get out of debt on the backs of the poor, although I do believe that reducing options for making a living without working would benefit everyone. All I was doing was pointing out the fallacy in your "poor people pay taxes too" argument.
 
The last time I was unemployed is when I finished my degree in Wisconsin, all of 3 months.

Nice try.

People like me can wake up and get a job, the question is, which one we want. If can turn away those that make more than your SS per month for a few years combined say as much asshole.

Being black up here is even a bonus, hate being paraded as a trophy to be honest.
 
AerchAngel said:
The last time I was unemployed is when I finished my degree in Wisconsin, all of 3 months.

Nice try.

People like me can wake up and get a job, the question is, which one we want. If can turn away those that make more than your SS per month for a few years combined say as much asshole.

Being black up here is even a bonus, hate being paraded as a trophy to be honest.
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Almost any that actually wants a job and actively seeks one can get a job. Sometimes its not what they like, but they can get a job. There are plenty that overstate their self worth and think they are going to make 50k right out of college so they search forever.

The last time I was unemployed I was 15 years old.
 
gilesfan said:
Almost any that actually wants a job and actively seeks one can get a job. Sometimes its not what they like, but they can get a job. There are plenty that overstate their self worth and think they are going to make 50k right out of college so they search forever.

The last time I was unemployed I was 15 years old.
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You get it.

Being in my position it is easier though. Being a programmer, I get calls daily, to the point a lot of them are blocked. Anyone can get a job if they want one, if I hear the liberals say there aren't any jobs, they are lying through their damn teeth. We got many signs here in this city of nearly 100k of needing people. My company is starving for people and starting pay is 50k, 50 freaking k and we are having a hard time. We have the cheapest and most affordable bennies in the area. I interviewed for a bank job, They wanted $1100 for health insurance, a month for family plan with out of pocket and ER not even part of the plan. That was an automatic no from me right there. The interview ended there and I told them from their parking lot, I wasn't interested. I was honest and told them your bennies sucked.
 
****, we went looking for a programmer. Dude is making 150 while locked away in his basement playing on the cpu.
 
gilesfan said:
****, we went looking for a programmer. Dude is making 150 while locked away in his basement playing on the cpu.
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not me, my computer is in a office next to the family room. I built a photo studio for my wife in the basement that can even challenge studios. I don't like fighting my wife when when she buys expensive things. If she is out of my hair, it makes me happy. Now I have to replace a few things to make it better......................

My gosh she is raking in cash right now as a photographer and others in the area are not happy. She has two companies now
 
Agreed, there are absolutely jobs out there if people want to look for them. But we have the poor loving their free money and we have the wealthy robbing us blind. Sucks to be middle class.
 
thethe said:
Agreed, there are absolutely jobs out there if people want to look for them. But we have the poor loving their free money and we have the wealthy robbing us blind. Sucks to be middle class.
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This area have many open jobs and most of them pay more than $10 an hour. Even retail.

Go figure.
 
The circle jerk is strong in this thread.

Of course, I just accepted a new job that's going to be paying me significantly more than I've ever made. I already know what impact taxes are going to have on my paycheck.

But. I. Promise. I. Won't. Be. A. Whiney. Little. Pu$$y. When. It. Comes. To. Taxes.

At least, not here. :D
 
It's going to be an interesting when machines and robots take over the vast majority of jobs in this country. The calls for picking yourself up by your own bootstraps will be a thing of the past. We will eventually have to figure out how to tolerate, motivate, and exist in a country of millions of people with a lot of free time on their hands. Of course, this is still decades away, but it's interesting how working hard just to work hard will no longer be considered a virtue in this country.
 
DirkPiggler said:
It's a drop in the bucket, no doubt. And I'm not one who believes we can get out of debt on the backs of the poor, although I do believe that reducing options for making a living without working would benefit everyone. All I was doing was pointing out the fallacy in your "poor people pay taxes too" argument.
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But they are paying taxes. Sure it's not the same, but it's something.
 
thethe said:
Agreed, there are absolutely jobs out there if people want to look for them. But we have the poor loving their free money and we have the wealthy robbing us blind. Sucks to be middle class.
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zitothebrave said:
But they are paying taxes. Sure it's not the same, but it's something.
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Not really. It's like saying I'm paying taxes when I put money into my retirement plan and pay for my health insurance. Only difference is that Social Security and Medicare are held out by mandatory payroll deduction because otherwise most would save nothing on their own. If it's money deposited into an account in your name, and only you (or your beneficiaries) can draw money or obtain services paid for by that account, you aren't paying a true tax. Only businesses can truly consider FICA and Medicare as taxes.
 
I don't know if we're strictly talking about income tax, but it's fair to point out that middle class and poor people pay a much larger % of their money in sales taxes and other things like it than rich people do.
 
thethe said:
Agreed, there are absolutely jobs out there if people want to look for them. But we have the poor loving their free money and we have the wealthy robbing us blind. Sucks to be middle class.
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When I was still a teenager, I would jump from **** job to **** job (temp agency) and work insane hours for **** pay while some of my chronically unemployed friends (one in particular) had the state pay for their housing and food and everything basically. I didn't really have a problem with them doing that, but it still sucked.
 
I also wonder if some of the progressive tax folks believe that when you go to dinner with someone who makes more money than you, should the check be distributed differently because of that alone?

I can't for the life of me understand how people can defend such a discriminatory practice.
 
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