Okay hack away about tax income

sturg33 said:
I also wonder if some of the progressive tax folks believe that when you go to dinner with someone who makes more money than you, should the check be distributed differently because of that alone?

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What a ridiculous and absurd question.

This is the type of thinking/talking point as to why libertarians cannot gain traction on the national front.

And for what it's worth I make probably 6-7 times less than my doctor friends and I've paid for the check just as much as they have. You know what's somewhat condescending? The fact they feel bad just because they know they make more money than I do that I buy them lunch.
 
sturg33 said:
I just wonder what would happen if we started removing some of these safety nets.
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Some undeserving people would end up on the streets. It's so hard to determine who needs it and who doesn't. I would rather a few people defraud the government than many people end up homeless and hungry.
 
Dalyn said:
Some undeserving people would end up on the streets. It's so hard to determine who needs it and who doesn't. I would rather a few people defraud the government than many people end up homeless and hungry.
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And create lawlessness that makes Katrina aftermath look like child's play.
 
Heywood said:
What a ridiculous and absurd question.

This is the type of thinking/talking point as to why libertarians cannot gain traction on the national front.

And for what it's worth I make probably 6-7 times less than my doctor friends and I've paid for the check just as much as they have. You know what's somewhat condescending? The fact they feel bad just because they know they make more money than I do that I buy them lunch.
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I don't understand your point. So you're fine with the progressive income tax, but not fine with the same rationale privately?
 
Dalyn said:
Some undeserving people would end up on the streets. It's so hard to determine who needs it and who doesn't. I would rather a few people defraud the government than many people end up homeless and hungry.
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But 99 weeks? Seriously?

I would of course do away with all welfare (both corporate and and social)... But at the very least, I'd love to make it mandatory that people receiving welfare must do 20 hours of community service per week. I'd wager that the time on unemployment benefits would decrease overall, and the community would at least get some return on their tax money
 
Dalyn said:
Some undeserving people would end up on the streets. It's so hard to determine who needs it and who doesn't. I would rather a few people defraud the government than many people end up homeless and hungry.
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That's understandable for sure.
 
gilesfan said:
It depends on if you think people would find it in themselves to work when they actually have to.
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Some would. Some can't no matter what the circumstances. Some will never work and find other means to make money.

What I do know is the dangers of poverty are real and cannot be underestimated.
 
gilesfan said:
It depends on if you think people would find it in themselves to work when they actually have to.
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People are ****ty. The same person who would quit their job to get more help from the government would help themselves to whatever they could beg, borrow, or steal if the government stopped letting them do the same to it.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't understand your point. So you're fine with the progressive income tax, but not fine with the same rationale privately?
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I just think it's a terrible comparison. You always bring up these comparisons that different on soooooooo many levels but similar on one, and I don't think it ever proves a point.
 
sturg33 said:
I also wonder if some of the progressive tax folks believe that when you go to dinner with someone who makes more money than you, should the check be distributed differently because of that alone?

I can't for the life of me understand how people can defend such a discriminatory practice.
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are you kidding me?

that is a terrible example to use and reminds me of people that say "hey, there is snow outside in winter and it is hot in summer. CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T REAL!!" when talking about climate change
 
goldfly said:
are you kidding me?

that is a terrible example to use and reminds me of people that say "hey, there is snow outside in winter and it is hot in summer. CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T REAL!!" when talking about climate change
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Explain why it is different
 
yeezus said:
I just think it's a terrible comparison. You always bring up these comparisons that different on soooooooo many levels but similar on one, and I don't think it ever proves a point.
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Which you mind explaining why it's different on "sooooooooooo many levels"?
 
sturg33 said:
Which you mind explaining why it's different on "sooooooooooo many levels"?
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you want me to sit here and explain to you the difference between tax structures and going out to dinner with your friends? I'm sure you can figure out a lot of differences on your own.

And for what this anecdote is worth, when I go out for drinks with my little cousin I tend to pay for a lot of his because he's a college student and is hurting for money more than me, and I'm an almost finished college student with a FT job not hurting for money. But that's about as valuable as the comparison you made.
 
Dalyn said:
Because they are buying different things. When it comes to taxes, we're all buying the same thing.
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So, for example... I went to Vegas with 3 friends a few weeks back.

One of the 4 makes over $300K a year... I makes less than half of that. The other two are in grad school and make nothing.

So theoretically, we should have paid for the hotel differently? With me and my friend paying for the whole bill, although, he would pay more than I would.

Are the progressive income tax in favor of this? And if it is not an apt comparison, please explain specifically why
 
yeezus said:
you want me to sit here and explain to you the difference between tax structures and going out to dinner with your friends? I'm sure you can figure out a lot of differences on your own.

And for what this anecdote is worth, when I go out for drinks with my little cousin I tend to pay for a lot of his because he's a college student and is hurting for money more than me, and I'm an almost finished college student with a FT job not hurting for money. But that's about as valuable as the comparison you made.
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Obviously, they are different "things." But the principle is exactly the same. If not, please describe the differences specifically
 
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