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BRule said:
So play Okafor at the 4.....the whole point about the team being built around him is dumb. The Knicks have Melo and 40 mil in cap....they aren't building around a 19 year old center. But hey, if Okafor was projected to go to OKC, he'd be Tim Duncan Jr.
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If you play Okafor at the four, but he can't hit jump shots consistently then that also won't work because you would have no space on offense.

Again, if Okafor is even average on defense then he will be fine. As I said at the beginning, I have no idea what Okafor can do because I'm not an NBA scout, but if he's an all offensive center than I would steer clear from him. You need rim protection in a league that is moving away from mid range jumpers to PNR based offenses.
 
thethe said:
Great, now we will be able to see who was right.

And just so we are clear yet again, I do think he will be a good offensive player.
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Being a "good rim protector" isn't a stat, it's subjective. He's not going to be Kanter or Boozer and get no blocks. He will be fine, he's 19, smart, super high basketball IQ, once he starts working with NBA coaches the D will catch up to the O.
 
BRule said:
Being a "good rim protector" isn't a stat, it's subjective. He's not going to be Kanter or Boozer and get no blocks. He will be fine, he's 19, smart, super high basketball IQ, once he starts working with NBA coaches the D will catch up to the O.
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There are very good rim protection stats. It isn't really subjective at all.
 
chop2chip said:
There are very good rim protection stats. It isn't really subjective at all.
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..........the phrase is subjective. The rim protecting stats show Pau as a great/very good rim protector this year, when people say rim protectors, no one mentions Pau.
 
BRule said:
..........the phrase is subjective. The rim protecting stats show Pau as a great/very good rim protector this year, when people say rim protectors, no one mentions Pau.
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Pau has traditionally been above average as a rim protector. It's only subjective to the point that you choose to ignore the wealth of excellent rim protection data.

If Okafor is a bad rim protector then I don't want him on my team as my starting center. Currently, I do not know if he's a bad rim protector. The mere fact that he's universally considered the top player in the draft indicates that he's not a turnstile on defense.

I don't understand why you are so sensitive about this.
 
chop2chip said:
Pau has traditionally been above average as a rim protector. It's only subjective to the point that you choose to ignore the wealth of excellent rim protection data.

If Okafor is a bad rim protector then I don't want him on my team as my starting center. Currently, I do not know if he's a bad rim protector. The mere fact that he's universally considered the top player in the draft indicates that he's not a turnstile on defense.

I don't understand why you are so sensitive about this.
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Because it's dumb....you don't need a star rim protector to win a ring......you just need 2 stars.
 
BRule said:
Because it's dumb....you don't need a rim protector to win a ring......you just need 2 stars.
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Guess what.

Almost every contender in basketball has two stars these days and the salary cap hurts your ability to have three.

Every good team in the NBA has a rim protector. If you think you can build a winner without one then good luck.
 
chop2chip said:
Guess what.

Almost every contender in basketball has two stars these days and the salary cap hurts your ability to have three.

Every good team in the NBA has a rim protector. If you think you can build a winner without one then good luck.
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Player Saved/36

Ryan Hollins (LAC) 9.18
Bismack Biyombo (CHA) 9.05
Cole Aldrich (NYK) 8.99
Rudy Gobert (UTA) 8.99
Roy Hibbert (IND) 8.80
Robin Lopez (POR) 8.46
Chris Kaman (LAL) 8.44
Miroslav Raduljica (MIL) 8.28
Brook Lopez (BKN) 8.23
Ian Mahinmi (IND) 8.02

Studs.

The teams with rings, win because they have multiple superstars: Miami, LAL, Spurs......they aren't winning because they have rim protection.
 
BRule said:
Player Saved/36

Ryan Hollins (LAC) 9.18

Bismack Biyombo (CHA) 9.05

Cole Aldrich (NYK) 8.99

Rudy Gobert (UTA) 8.99

Roy Hibbert (IND) 8.80

Robin Lopez (POR) 8.46

Chris Kaman (LAL) 8.44

Miroslav Raduljica (MIL) 8.28

Brook Lopez (BKN) 8.23

Ian Mahinmi (IND) 8.02

Studs.

The teams with rings, win because they have multiple superstars: Miami, LAL, Spurs......they aren't winning because they have rim protection.
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I don't understand the point you are trying to make referencing those players.

The Lakers had three good rim protectors in Bynum, Pau, and Odom.

Miami had Birdman to protect the rim plus LeBron is well... You know... A bit of an outlier. Will the Knicks have LeBron? I'll change my opinion if they do.

The Spurs won last year with two good rim protectors in Splitter and Duncan. Don't understand why you referenced them.

Boston had KG.

Rim protectors are important. If you don't think they are you are in a very very very very small minority.
 
chop2chip said:
I don't understand the point you are trying to make referencing those players.

The Lakers had three good rim protectors in Bynum, Pau, and Odom.

Miami had Birdman to protect the rim plus LeBron is well... You know... A bit of an outlier. Will the Knicks have LeBron? I'll change my opinion if they do.

The Spurs won last year with two good rim protectors in Splitter and Duncan. Don't understand why you referenced them.

Boston had KG.

Rim protectors are important. If you don't think they are you are in a very very very very small minority.
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Never said they weren't my point is, those 3 teams with all the titles in the last 10 years have titles because they were loaded with talent.

MIA - Bron, Wade, Bosh........Chris Anderson lol
Spurs - Timmy, Manu, KL, TP
Lakers - Kobe, Shaq, Pau, Bynum

Sure they have a rim protector but that's not why they are winning all these rings. It's stupid, would you take a team with KD, Wall and Beal with Chris Anderson or would you take a team with Wes Mathews, Milsap, Dragic and Rudy? Multiple stars win championships, unless you're the Thunder.....who ironically have a top 3 rim protector lol.
 
False dichotomy.

No one is saying rim protection trumps everything. The whole point is that rim protection is the most important part of having a great defense. Teams that win tend to have great defenses.
 
thethe said:
I wouldn't say that is a ringing endorsement of his defense there. Again, in college a center should absolutely own the paint. He is going up against vastly inferior players who are not even as athletic as he is. The whole game changes once you make the NBA though and you have guys like Westbrook attacking you.
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His issues are with consistency and effort. Maybe, he's playing too many minutes or relied on too heavily on offense, but that along with his age and I wouldn't be too concerned.

Watched the video, a difficult measure for him. On the first play, his teammate is in his way. In others he's trying to cover up for other teammates and trying to defend 2 guys by himself. I think as large of a problem is every pick n roll he's forced to try and cover 2 guys.

He's too young, too effective on offense, and too athletic to pass up bc of defensive concerns.
 
gilesfan said:
His issues are with consistency and effort. Maybe, he's playing too many minutes or relied on too heavily on offense, but that along with his age and I wouldn't be too concerned.

Watched the video, a difficult measure for him. On the first play, his teammate is in his way. In others he's trying to cover up for other teammates and trying to defend 2 guys by himself. I think as large of a problem is every pick n roll he's forced to try and cover 2 guys.

He's too young, too effective on offense, and too athletic to pass up bc of defensive concerns.
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If I'm picking #1 overall and a center is on the board that I have defensive concern over I'm passing. Give me a dynamic scoring wing anyway or a guy like Towns who some are projecting to be a defensive terror along with the ability to stretch the floor. .
 
thethe said:
If I'm picking #1 overall and a center is on the board that I have defensive concern over I'm passing. Give me a dynamic scoring wing anyway or a guy like Towns who some are projecting to be a defensive terror along with the ability to stretch the floor. .
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This data might be slightly dated but:

Per 40: pts, reb, ast, stl, blks

Okafor 27/12/2.0/1.2/2.3
Towns 17/14/2.2/0.8/4.9

I would say taking Towns is the much larger risk. Rim protection is great, but you can't be a negative on offense either and projecting Towns offensive ability is pretty tough at this point.

Would you take Mahinmi over Kelly O. from Boston?

Would you take Kyle O' Quinn over Stephen Adams?
 
gilesfan said:
This data might be slightly dated but:

Per 40: pts, reb, ast, stl, blks

Okafor 27/12/2.0/1.2/2.3

Towns 17/14/2.2/0.8/4.9

I would say taking Towns is the much larger risk. Rim protection is great, but you can't be a negative on offense either and projecting Towns offensive ability is pretty tough at this point.

Would you take Mahinmi over Kelly O. from Boston?

Would you take Kyle O' Quinn over Stephen Adams?
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I would take Mahinmi over Kelly
 
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