The letter to Iran from republicans in the senate...

not endorsing or condemning Pelosi' visit but the only similarity is a Congressperson had contact with a MidEast country.
And what negotiations at the nuclear level were being discussed when Pelosi was there ?
And didn't the State Department help structure Pelosi' visit ?

I mean ... the comparison goes as far as both apples and oranges are fruit

oh,
Did you miss the part about the (R) congress people being in Damascus a week prior to Pelosi ??
Kinda like (D) Senators sent their own letter to the Mullahs.

That is another thing -- the Mullahs ? The Mullahs have no Diplomatic Portfolio and are not compelled by law to even recognize the letter.
What a cluster **** and show of diplomatic immaturity
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Thiswill have gravitas when Jeb Bush signs on. Or,it will eliminate Jeb from (R) nomination by showing he is desperation
 
McCain admits open letter to Iran that he signed 'maybe' wasn't the greatest idea ever

John McCain was one of the 47 Republican senators who signed onto the open letter to Iran. But he doesn't seem so sure anymore that it was an effective strategy. The letter, McCain said on Fox News, was just intended to "tell the Iranians that whatever deal they make, the Congress of the United States will play a role," but "Maybe that wasn’t the best way."

Gosh, maybe not. But why would almost all of the Republicans in the Senate do such a thing?

“It’s also symptomatic between the total lack of trust that exists now between we Republicans and the president,” he said.

“This has established a poisoned environment here which sometimes causes us to react maybe in not the most effective fashion.”

Isn't it a shame that there's such a lack of trust just mysteriously existing, when all Republicans ever did was say that they were going to block everything President Obama tried to gain partisan points and make it easier to defeat him in 2012. Republicans are so very sad that after years of them refusing to work with the president, he stopped bending over backward to try to do so. Now, Republicans are left with no choice but to retaliate by breaking all precedent in writing to Iran to try to scuttle a diplomatic solution to nuclear concerns.

On the other hand, at least McCain didn't try to claim the letter was some kind of "cheeky" joke.
 
It's really sad to see what McCain has become since W did what he did to him in the 2000 primaries
 
weso1 said:
You rolled em right up, Bedell. One of those classic issues where the outrage depends strictly on your point of view. And the Pelosi example is perfect.
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It's a perfect example as long as you forget that republicans were in Syria just before Pelosi was there
 
Oklahomahawk said:
First of all let me say that I condemn anyone and everyone who puts their own personal ambition over the good of the nation, but you know we've played this game for years. The Dems say/do something stupid and the Repub arm of the media is all over them calling them idiots, cowards, traitors, whatever, say they should be punished (which is probably true technically speaking) then later, a few days to a few years the Repubs say/do something stupid and the Dem army of the media gets on them and rather than see a dumb action/statement is dumb it's like "well you guys did it too and you didn't get in trouble for it". Why can't we agree, dumb is dumb, doing something under the (very flimsy) guise of patriotism and love of country, when all you're REALLY doing is trying to make a name for yourself and further your own career in politics is what it is. This is exactly what Scott Walker did in WI and he was a rock star to Repubs and still is in many Repub circles. Why can't you see it when it's the other side?

What did Sam Houston say about Jefferson Davis? He said he was as cold as a snake and as ambitious as Lucifer. Does this sound like any politicians (Dem or Repub) you know? Dumb is dumb, bad is bad, evil is evil. Did you ever see the movie The Dead Zone (from the Stephen King book, starring Christopher Walken)?? Remember the politician in that movie played by Martin Sheen if memory serves, Greg Stillson? That IS Tom Cotton, IMO. But, as you say "whatevs". This is just "the party of morality" doing what they do.
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Ahh, you see that was my very point (one you missed) and you did what you call out others for doing. Play it straight Hawk.
 
Oklahomahawk said:
Political move for ambition's sake?

EDIT: Oh and I agree with you about Iran, they aren't going to keep any agreement they make, with Dems or Repubs. If you'll recall their last president, Akkserelmsflsdmfksdidad, actually believed he was the guy from Islamic prophecy who was supposed to usher in the 12th Imam. Those people are crazier than Glenn Beck, there's no way in hell you can trust anything they say.
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All political moves are at least in part about ambition. Dang, consider the size of the pair you've got to have to in essence say, "I'm great and what this country needs, vote for me."
 
BedellBrave said:
Ahh, you see that was my very point (one you missed) and you did what you call out others for doing. Play it straight Hawk.
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Sorry, thought I was playing it straight for condemning anyone and everyone who puts their own ambitions or their own party's ambitions above the nation (see Tom Cotton here). You can add Nancy Pelosi too if you want, she really doesn't amount to all that much in my book, now nor at any time in the past. But what good does it do the nation to be satisfied with finding a "gotcha" on the other side and using it to excuse your own party? How does it help the nation? Haven't the Repubs done this enough in the past 2 or 3 decades? In fact tell me one thing the Repubs actually stand for, other than making the top 1% richer? Yeah yeah I know all the conservatives on here will laugh and scoff but it's the truth. Hasn't running from the truth cost this nation and the Republican party enough? Instead of trying to find an equivalent amount of "gotcha" to counter the next Repub clusterpfark why not put some pressure on them to actually do something to help the majority of Americans instead of their same old sick ass games. I've posted the wealth distribution by class in this country on this board probably 10 times. Nobody either cares or at least posts anything about it. The Dems don't care, the Kochs and other aholes have gotten even richer under Obama. The problem is all of the Republicans with any chance to win have sold their souls to big money, the oligarchy is in and no matter how loyal you guys are to Cotton, or Ryan, or Walker, or Christie, or Bush XIV or Rubio or Palin or Bachman or whothepfarkever it isn't going to help the nation. The top 20% owns over 90% of this nation's wealth and even if you've convinced yourself that it's only because their work ethic is SOOOOOOO much better than the other 80% that still doesn't make it the truth and if something isn't done to make things better for everyone the **** WILL hit the fan sooner rather than later and those arrogant POS's will wish then that they had done something to make things better for all Americans, not just those with more money than Scrooge McDuck.

I'm talking about trying to find someone who would actually make a positive difference for ALL of us (no offense folks but I doubt any of us is in the top 1%, if you are then please just disregard this message) but nothing like that ever gets done because too many otherwise good people are too busy fighting over the crumbs from their tables, all the while changing "thank you sir may I have another".
 
Oklahomahawk said:
Sorry, thought I was playing it straight for condemning anyone and everyone who puts their own ambitions or their own party's ambitions above the nation (see Tom Cotton here). You can add Nancy Pelosi too if you want, she really doesn't amount to all that much in my book, now nor at any time in the past. But what good does it do the nation to be satisfied with finding a "gotcha" on the other side and using it to excuse your own party? How does it help the nation? Haven't the Repubs done this enough in the past 2 or 3 decades? In fact tell me one thing the Repubs actually stand for, other than making the top 1% richer? Yeah yeah I know all the conservatives on here will laugh and scoff but it's the truth. Hasn't running from the truth cost this nation and the Republican party enough? Instead of trying to find an equivalent amount of "gotcha" to counter the next Repub clusterpfark why not put some pressure on them to actually do something to help the majority of Americans instead of their same old sick ass games. I've posted the wealth distribution by class in this country on this board probably 10 times. Nobody either cares or at least posts anything about it. The Dems don't care, the Kochs and other aholes have gotten even richer under Obama. The problem is all of the Republicans with any chance to win have sold their souls to big money, the oligarchy is in and no matter how loyal you guys are to Cotton, or Ryan, or Walker, or Christie, or Bush XIV or Rubio or Palin or Bachman or whothepfarkever it isn't going to help the nation. The top 20% owns over 90% of this nation's wealth and even if you've convinced yourself that it's only because their work ethic is SOOOOOOO much better than the other 80% that still doesn't make it the truth and if something isn't done to make things better for everyone the **** WILL hit the fan sooner rather than later and those arrogant POS's will wish then that they had done something to make things better for all Americans, not just those with more money than Scrooge McDuck.

I'm talking about trying to find someone who would actually make a positive difference for ALL of us (no offense folks but I doubt any of us is in the top 1%, if you are then please just disregard this message) but nothing like that ever gets done because too many otherwise good people are too busy fighting over the crumbs from their tables, all the while changing "thank you sir may I have another".
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That's convenient. Just say certain ones don't matter much. And please..."gotcha game"? Hawk you are a master of it. That's your bread and butter (while telling others they are doing it). You've done it in this very thread - and in the process overlooked how I stated my first post. I'm not excusing anything - just wanting those bitching now (including you) to be honest and ask if you are being consistent or are you just rooting for your team? Whatever that team is.

Play it honest Hawk.
 
BedellBrave said:
That's convenient. Just say certain ones don't matter much. And please..."gotcha game"? Hawk you are a master of it. That's your bread and butter (while telling others they are doing it). You've done it in this very thread - and in the process overlooked how I stated my first post. I'm not excusing anything - just wanting those bitching now (including you) to be honest and ask if you are being consistent or are you just rooting for your team? Whatever that team is.

Play it honest Hawk.
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I really don't know what you're wanting me to be honest about. Oh and I don't have a team, neither team wants me to play for or with them.
 
Playing honest would have had you being the one denouncing the stupid Rs while also asking those in a tizzy if they had been as worked up in the past, not calling me out and while doing so missing that I wasn't defending or excusing the Rs in the least. This is not the sort of thing an opposition party does - you don't undercut the administration overseas. If you disagree, voice it here, publicly. The stuff Pelosi did, Ted Kennedy did, and these guys have done is Bush League. And just because it isn't new, doesn't mean it isn't Bush League.
 
BedellBrave said:
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so, you're saying republicans weren't there as well right before dems?

what multi national talks were happening that you are saying the republicans then didn't derail but Pelosi going attempted to derail just weeks later?
 
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