Spring Training 2015

Interesting day ahead in the SP competition . . .

If Folty is going to cling to any hope of making the rotation, he needs a good start tonight. Otherwise, he may be in the next round of cuts (probably after Saturday's split-squad games).

Martin is due for 4 IP today and Russell 3 IP. I'm curious to see who of those two will pitch against the Yankees tonight, and who will pitch in a B game or simulated game.
 
I have been one of Bethancourts biggest fans. I love his potential as a defender. But, lets face it, the guy isn't going to hit. Which is fine for catcher if you can get bats from other positions. His little bit of pop is encouraging, but best case he becomes a more free swinging John Buck with better dance moves.
 
dak said:
Interesting day ahead in the SP competition . . .

If Folty is going to cling to any hope of making the rotation, he needs a good start tonight. Otherwise, he may be in the next round of cuts (probably after Saturday's split-squad games).

Martin is due for 4 IP today and Russell 3 IP. I'm curious to see who of those two will pitch against the Yankees tonight, and who will pitch in a B game or simulated game.
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If Russell gets the starting job over Martin I'm going to scream.
 
gilesfan said:
I don't know that Peterson is an elite defender that would cause his value to sky rocket. Fangraphs projected him to have a 0.1 WAR in 550 PA.
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I don't think anyone is claiming that he will be elite. But an above average defensive 2B along with a possible 340 OBP will get him WAY over that projection.
 
Dalyn said:
If Russell gets the starting job over Martin I'm going to scream.
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One thing that Russell has going for him is that they may not want to add Martin to the 40-man roster just to make 3 or so starts before Minor's expected return.
 
dak said:
One thing that Russell has going for him is that they may not want to add Martin to the 40-man roster just to make 3 or so starts before Minor's expected return.
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I think it'll end up five or six starts for Minor, and if they give Martin that many starts, I'm confident he'll keep his job. They need to give him a chance or trade him.
 
thethe said:
I don't think anyone is claiming that he will be elite. But an above average defensive 2B along with a possible 340 OBP will get him WAY over that projection.
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The hope is certainly they he pulls a Martin Prado and turns fringe player projections into a starting caliber 2nd baseman. He's outperformed his tools similar to how Prado did and it's certainly possible he translates that into the majors. The downside is Prado came up a couple years younger than Peterson.

Steamer projects him to hit .229/.295/.316 and ZIPS has .228/.299/.319.

Now, those may be low projections, but you have to look at his full body of work and consider he played in an offensive environment out west and had a .374 BABIP last year.

If I had to project, I think .340 is a really optimistic viewpoint of him. His 90% forecast according to BP is ..277/.353/.414 with a WARP of 2.0

I see him as a solid utility guy in the future. Lack of really appealing tools limits his potential. He's somewhat patient at the plate, which is encouraging though.
 
gilesfan said:
The hope is certainly they he pulls a Martin Prado and turns fringe player projections into a starting caliber 2nd baseman. He's outperformed his tools similar to how Prado did and it's certainly possible he translates that into the majors. The downside is Prado came up a couple years younger than Peterson.

Steamer projects him to hit .229/.295/.316 and ZIPS has .228/.299/.319.

Now, those may be low projections, but you have to look at his full body of work and consider he played in an offensive environment out west and had a .374 BABIP last year.

If I had to project, I think .340 is a really optimistic viewpoint of him. His 90% forecast according to BP is ..277/.353/.414 with a WARP of 2.0

I see him as a solid utility guy in the future. Lack of really appealing tools limits his potential. He's somewhat patient at the plate, which is encouraging though.
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Apparently has speed as well. Not sure how much and we don't typically run much but all that rolled into one could have some nice value.
 
gilesfan said:
The hope is certainly they he pulls a Martin Prado and turns fringe player projections into a starting caliber 2nd baseman. He's outperformed his tools similar to how Prado did and it's certainly possible he translates that into the majors. The downside is Prado came up a couple years younger than Peterson.

Steamer projects him to hit .229/.295/.316 and ZIPS has .228/.299/.319.

Now, those may be low projections, but you have to look at his full body of work and consider he played in an offensive environment out west and had a .374 BABIP last year.

If I had to project, I think .340 is a really optimistic viewpoint of him. His 90% forecast according to BP is ..277/.353/.414 with a WARP of 2.0

I see him as a solid utility guy in the future. Lack of really appealing tools limits his potential. He's somewhat patient at the plate, which is encouraging though.
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He's had much better minor league stats than Prado and is a whole lot faster. His speed ranks very high, so I don't know how that's not a really appealing tool. At a weak position like 2B... he could easily be a starting 2B his whole career and a pretty good one at that.

He also ranks pretty high in the patience and contact categories... you're selling him way short.
 
zbhargrove said:
He's had much better minor league stats than Prado and is a whole lot faster. His speed ranks very high, so I don't know how that's not a really appealing tool. At a weak position like 2B... he could easily be a starting 2B his whole career and a pretty good one at that.

He also ranks pretty high in the patience and contact categories... you're selling him way short.
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Especially because speed/contact are going to play up in the next stage in baseballs evolution.
 
The pessimists on Jace (which include the projection systems) take into account that he played in the PCL and other favorable hitting environments while in the Padres system. In addition, I don't believe he has made a league Top 20 prospects list at any level (I don't think Prado ever did either).

The optimists are giving an awful lot of weight to 2 weeks of spring training.
 
nsacpi said:
The pessimists on Jace (which include the projection systems) take into account that he played in the PCL and other favorable hitting environments while in the Padres system. In addition, I don't believe he has made a league Top 20 prospects list at any level (I don't think Prado ever did either).

The optimists are giving an awful lot of weight to 2 weeks of spring training.
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I actually give more weight to his patience and contact numbers thus far in the minors... those usually translate pretty well to the majors... and his 40/50 steals in a couple seasons. Spring training is just a little extra encouragement.
 
nsacpi said:
The pessimists on Jace (which include the projection systems) take into account that he played in the PCL and other favorable hitting environments while in the Padres system. In addition, I don't believe he has made a league Top 20 prospects list at any level (I don't think Prado ever did either).

The optimists are giving an awful lot of weight to 2 weeks of spring training.
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And promising contact rates/walk rates in his minor league experience. He is basically just showing what he has showed in the minors so far in the first couple of weeks of spring. Not like he was a hacking machine and all of sudden he is showing patience and tough AB's. This is his hitting profile.
 
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