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zitothebrave

zitothebrave

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Dalyn said:
Or batting is not good for pitchers.
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Or it's largely coincidental. I don't think swing mechanics share anything with pitching mechanics. Maybe you could make a case that a pitcher getting on base is bad for a pitcher because he's running more and it's tiring his legs out. But how freaking rare is that? Like once every 2-3 games?
 
Until last year, there was a trend among MLB teams of actually preferring that young pitchers had TJ surgery. The Braves organization likely was among the driving forces, which is why it's reflected in those figures. Team might still covertly prefer young pitchers to have had it, but they're starting to realize the risks with so many receiving the treatment at younger ages and then requiring second and third surgeries. Somebody needs to do a top to bottom analyis on the effectiveness. It's become alarming.
 
most likely reason is the rise of stat ball. there's more emphasis on the strikeout now than ever which would have to lead to more stress on more arms.

remember when crash davis told us that strikeouts are fascist? well, maybe we need to stop teaching our young pitchers that these advanced pitching stats are everything. this is just like AAU basketball ruining that sport too though. there's way too much pressure to do x y and z while the basics aren't emphasized like they once were.

but hell, if i was a young guy looking to get drafted highly and i know 99% of observers look at advanced stats more than anything now, i'm going to do what it takes to get the max payday. maybe this is the modern day steroids...

in short, blame the statheads.
 
chipchildress said:
most likely reason is the rise of stat ball. there's more emphasis on the strikeout now than ever which would have to lead to more stress on more arms.

remember when crash davis told us that strikeouts are fascist? well, maybe we need to stop teaching our young pitchers that these advanced pitching stats are everything. this is just like AAU basketball ruining that sport too though. there's way too much pressure to do x y and z while the basics aren't emphasized like they once were.

but hell, if i was a young guy looking to get drafted highly and i know 99% of observers look at advanced stats more than anything now, i'm going to do what it takes to get the max payday. maybe this is the modern day steroids...

in short, blame the statheads.
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I want to say that velocity has always been a thing. But I think the blame is put on youth pitching. Kids throwing harder breaking stuff and what nots.
 
I firmly belive that it stems from Kids travel ball.My son who just turned 7, has already been asked to play on a 8-9 travel ball team and it's pretty much year round.He also plays basketball and football and I would much rather him do that while he enjoys it.Im 34 was a pitcher and played for 14 years and always played other sports.We need to get kids to take a break.I'd much rather draft a kid that didn't pitch year round and develop him in the minors a few years then draft one who I know has a ton of wear on his arm.
 
It's obviously happening at younger ages. They're not properly building arm strength. Remember Leo preached throwing between starts? Braves pitchers tended not to go on the DL. Smoltz didn't have TJ until he was much older, and that slider stressed the elbow. If you're looking for a culprit, consider the pitch counts/innings limits also. A few years back, I started a thread on that very topic to get a discussion going, but hardly anybody was interested.
 
Buzzworm said:
I firmly belive that it stems from Kids travel ball.My son who just turned 7, has already been asked to play on a 8-9 travel ball team and it's pretty much year round.He also plays basketball and football and I would much rather him do that while he enjoys it.Im 34 was a pitcher and played for 14 years and always played other sports.We need to get kids to take a break.I'd much rather draft a kid that didn't pitch year round and develop him in the minors a few years then draft one who I know has a ton of wear on his arm.
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I would agree that playing multiple sports is usually a good thing. Especially when you're pre-high school. I was asked to play year round baseball and soccer. My parents kept me out of either and played soccer in the fall and baseball in the spring. One year or 2 before I was old enough to play CYO basketball I played indoor soccer in the winter but that was just til I could play basketball.
 
zitothebrave said:
I would agree that playing multiple sports is usually a good thing. Especially when you're pre-high school. I was asked to play year round baseball and soccer. My parents kept me out of either and played soccer in the fall and baseball in the spring. One year or 2 before I was old enough to play CYO basketball I played indoor soccer in the winter but that was just til I could play basketball.
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Here's a feature article on Aaron Harang from last year in which he talks about growing up playing multiple sports and how today's specialization may be hurting kids, especially pitchers. It's a good read: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/47707/aaron-harang-one-of-2014s-big-surprises I do think kids' sports--especially elite level kids' sports--have gotten pretty crazy.

I referenced Carolina pitcher Steve Janas, who the Braves drafted in the sixth round out of Kennesaw State in 2013. He had TJS during his sophomore season and came back and pitched well enough as a junior to merit his draft status. Tall, lanky kid with a live arm. I'm curious to see how he shakes out. He did have a solid first start in 2015.
 
Knucksie said:
It's obviously happening at younger ages. They're not properly building arm strength. Remember Leo preached throwing between starts? Braves pitchers tended not to go on the DL. Smoltz didn't have TJ until he was much older, and that slider stressed the elbow. If you're looking for a culprit, consider the pitch counts/innings limits also. A few years back, I started a thread on that very topic to get a discussion going, but hardly anybody was interested.
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Hasn't Don Sutton been saying as much for the last 25 years or so?
 
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