Yankees Interested in Peraza

Just to compare some basis advanced defensive metrics, Simmons' career dWAR coming into this year (according to BR) is 11.7 in 352 career games. Iglesias stands at 1.3 in 144 career games.

Simmons' accumulative career defensive rating (according to Fangraphs) is 67.2. Iglesias' is 11.4.

If you go from Simmons to Iglesias, you have an above-average defensive SS (perhaps even well above), but you still experience a considerable drop. There is no 'almost Simmons' out there.
 
clvclv said:
Have you ever even seen Jose Iglesias play defense? Do you even know who the Tigers got him from?

Take a little time before writing statements like that off - they're not made lightly.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jose-iglesias-defense-in-detroit/
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I dunno, man. That's a pretty aggro stance. I'm gonna assume Iglesias is, to paraphrase a favorite film, a bloke we know.


I'm with smootness. Being the second-best defensive SS in baseball doesn't make Iglesias—or anyone—"near-Simmons."
 
That still misses the entire point. You'd still have an elite defensive SS while adding Moya and Hill (and perhaps more) as well as clearing Johnson's 23.5 million and Simmons' $46 million off the books. That's another $13.5 million to spend in free-agency next winter.

Everybody hates the current OF now, but clearing that much space would potentially make enough room to re-sign BOTH Heyward and Upton and even sign Fowler if they thought they could move Maybin or Markakis (not that I think that's likely to happen either).

Again, I don't have any desire to trade either Andrelton or Peraza, but the fact of the matter is we have enough depth (and time) to have a pretty good alternative ready by the time the new park opens. They've proven they're willing to move anyone already IF the price is right - the point that rico originally made and I agree with is that if someone comes along and is willing to blow them away, they'll certainly listen.
 
Well, that's fine. You've made a perfectly good case for a putative trade. I'm really just talking about the statement that Iglesias offers "near-Simmons" defense (because IMO nobody does) and your aggro stance that anyone who disagrees with you must not have heard of the guy.

No harm done. I'm not sure if there's any reason to believe :Bowman:that either Heyward or Upton will end up back in Atlanta, though.
 
No, I didn't miss the point. My point is that even if both are in the elite category, it doesn't mean the drop from Simmons to Iglesias isn't that big. That is real, serious value you're losing by dropping from Simmons to anybody.

It's like the people who said, 'Our offense was about the worst in the league last year, it can't be worse.' Yes, it can. You can still score fewer runs which does matter and does impact games.

We traded the guys it made sense to trade....the guys with one year left, a guy with flaws that we traded at his peak, and an expensive closer off a team that's not going to win enough anyway.

The best defensive SS of all time, who is relatively cheap for quite a while? No, you don't trade him.
 
smootness said:
Simmons, based on everything that can be seen in addition to advanced metrics, is probably the greatest defensive SS of all time. Ozzie is the only guy who can make a case against that.
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So, what makes you a big expert on "advanced metrics"?
 
Knucksie said:
He might well become the greatest ever. Right now, it's too early to consider him better than Ozzie Smith. Sample size.
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That's fair. I will say that I think Simmons is better now than anyone else at their peak, including Ozzie. The question is whether he will maintain it as long.
 
With how Simmons has been at the plate this year, im not sure i'd trade him.

Keep him, and build the defense around him.
 
smootness said:
It's like the people who said, 'Our offense was about the worst in the league last year, it can't be worse.' Yes, it can. You can still score fewer runs which does matter and does impact games.
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Maybe this is splitting hairs since this statement was merely an example to support a different argument. But, while it's been an extremely short sample size, our offense so far has been considerably better than last year. Only 10 games in obviously, but I enjoy watching this year's offense substantially more than last year's. 2014 we had already been shut out twice by now and were averaging a full run less per game. Certainly CJ and Simmons not being huge bags of suck like they were last year is a good difference. But for a team that lost so much offensive talent, we sure haven't been starved of runs so far.

I said there's almost no way we can be worse than last year's offense. I stand by that.
 
Carp said:
Maybe this is splitting hairs since this statement was merely an example to support a different argument. But, while it's been an extremely short sample size, our offense so far has been considerably better than last year. Only 10 games in obviously, but I enjoy watching this year's offense substantially more than last year's. Certainly CJ and Simmons not being huge bags of suck like they were last year is a good difference. But for a team that lost so much offensive talent, we sure haven't been starved of runs so far.
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Ah, but fewer homers, so it must be smoke and mirrors.

I jest a little, I know homers are an efficient way to score runs, but I think a guy getting a single with a runner on second,is much more likely than a guy hitting a homer, especially if a hitter goes up trying to hit a homer instead of trying to put the ball in play.

i like the hitting philosophy I see this season so far, and SSS notwithstanding, I like the results so far.
 
I said it all offseason, the offense cant get much worse than it already was. We dont need three 20 million dollar a year players and Gattis to be that bad. There have been a lot of crappy teams with crappy hitters that still scored 500+ runs. we are on pace for 680 right now. Thats 100 more than last year. Sadly it will probably be our back end of the rotation that sinks the team.
 
I'm willing to give Stults and Cahill til the end of April before I make a judgement on them. Not looking like good investments at this time however.
 
Carp said:
I'm willing to give Stults and Cahill til the end of April before I make a judgement on them. Not looking like good investments at this time however.
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And that can change real quickly with a guy like Cahil. Stults is just throwing junk up there. He needs to be replaced soon if the Braves are actually thinking about being in a wild card chase.
 
We are 3rd in the league in home runs at 10. That's a 162 home run pace - which would have been good for 2nd in the league last year, and 40 more than we hit.

Does anyone actually think we're going to hit 162 home runs though?
 
sturg33 said:
We are 3rd in the league in home runs at 10. That's a 162 home run pace - which would have been good for 2nd in the league last year, and 40 more than we hit.

Does anyone actually think we're going to hit 162 home runs though?
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We're also last in the league in strikeouts, and 8th in walks.
 
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