More apeaceful Protesting in Baltimore

goldfly said:
following your logic

don't want riots? don't kill unarmed/in custody american citizens that have rights
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Unfortunately if the reports are true, the only thing the cops did wrong was not properly put him into a seat belt. He basically harmed himself. I still would punish the police for being negligent.
 
Hawk said:
Is this a ****ty Law and Order re-run or real life?

The cynicism in this thread ...
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I wouldn't say its impossible but you won't ever be able to change the minds of someone who is so deep rooted against the police.
 
thethe said:
I wouldn't say its impossible but you won't ever be able to change the minds of someone who is so deep rooted against the police.
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I'm not a huge fan of the 5-0 myself, but attempting to ignore or downplay their (crucial) function in keeping our society safe/stable is ludicrous.
 
Did anyone not see the statistic above of over 1100 police deaths in 2014 in the US? And you wonder why people might be skeptical?
 
sturg33 said:
Did anyone not see the statistic above of over 1100 police deaths in 2014 in the US? And you wonder why people might be skeptical?
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Number is way too high but shouldn't some of that blame be at the feat of the criminals as well? Why can't we address both sides?
 
zitothebrave said:
Or you know, the police were beating his ass against the wall. We already know they went above and beyond, maybe they continued to do so. Maybe they offered this prisoner a plea deal to lie.

Here's the key phrase you need to read

"The van driver stopped three times while transporting Gray to a booking center, the first to put him in leg irons. Batts said the officer driving the van described Gray as “irate.” The search warrant application says Gray “continued to be combative in the police wagon.”

The driver made a second stop, five minutes later, and asked an officer to help check on Gray. At that stop, police have said the van driver found Gray on the floor of the van and put him back on the seat, still without restraints. Police said Gray asked for medical help at that point.

The third stop was to put the other prisoner — a 38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van. The van was then driven six blocks to the Western District station. Gray was taken from there to a hospital, where he died April 19."

So he was in the van for all of 6 blocks. And that's Baltimore blocks, not New York bumper to bumper 3 light cycle blocks. To me there's no logical way he could have severed his spinal cord in that short of a time period. It's much more plausible that the cops used too much force.
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You didn't learn a thing from the Ferguson situation, did you? You know, how about waiting to see what really happened after all of the facts have come out? Just like Ferguson, you and the others are automatically assuming the cops are wrong. The cops are automatically guilty in your world. We don't know the full story yet.
 
sturg33 said:
Did anyone not see the statistic above of over 1100 police deaths in 2014 in the US? And you wonder why people might be skeptical?
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First of all, before trumpeting that statistic as some invaluable, stop-in-your-tracks piece of news: how about a classification break down?

- How many were armed?
- How many put others at risk?
- How many were on the run?

How would you have stopped this guy? http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/...-chase/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Or this guy? http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/03/27/webster-police-shoot-kill-man-during-chase/

Better yet, what's your solution? Are you going to try and strip all of the guns out of circulation so we can be like the United Kingdom (less than 1K on the streets, supposedly)? Are you going to give LEOs less authority?

Or are you just going to continue to be one of the people that bitches and moans about the 'militarization' of law enforcement while meanwhile benefiting in every possible way from the protections it provides?

It's like there's this refusal on your part to actually to see the other end of the spectrum you tacitly advocate.

Willing suspension of disbelief.

Believe me, I get your idealism and I love it, but it's just not applicable here and it never will be.
 
Hawk said:
First of all, before trumpeting that statistic as some invaluable, stop-in-your-tracks piece of news: how about a classification break down?

- How many were armed?
- How many put others at risk?
- How many were on the run?

How would you have stopped this guy? http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/...-chase/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Or this guy? http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/03/27/webster-police-shoot-kill-man-during-chase/

Better yet, what's your solution? Are you going to try and strip all of the guns out of circulation so we can be like the United Kingdom (less than 1K on the streets, supposedly)? Are you going to give LEOs less authority?

Or are you just going to continue to be one of the people that bitches and moans about the 'militarization' of law enforcement while meanwhile benefiting in every possible way from the protections it provides?

It's like there's this refusal on your part to actually to see the other end of the spectrum you tacitly advocate.

Willing suspension of disbelief.

Believe me, I get your idealism and I love it, but it's just not applicable here and it never will be.
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first thing I'd do is to not make so many things crimes - especially in the land of the free
 
Carp said:
Not really. Criminals and gonna do crime We should expect that. But we should expect more from the police.
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Yeah, this. That's really the essence of it.

Cops have a stressful, difficult job and are often underpaid and overworked. They deserve better from their employers (us) but they aren't immune from scrutiny and the same laws that they're sworn to uphold.
 
Baltimore's black mayor said the city is being destroyed by "thugs?" Didn't she get the memo that white, PC obsessed liberals declared that word a racial slur?
 
acesfull86 said:
Baltimore's black mayor said the city is being destroyed by "thugs?" Didn't she get the memo that white, PC obsessed liberals declared that word a racial slur?
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Mock all you want, but—more often than not—"thug" is coded language. Context is important.
 
acesfull86 said:
Baltimore's black mayor said the city is being destroyed by "thugs?" Didn't she get the memo that white, PC obsessed liberals declared that word a racial slur?
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Obama dropped the same language. Apparently "criminal" is too harsh of a characterization.
 
Hawk said:
Obama dropped the same language. Apparently "criminal" is too harsh of a characterization.
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Since voting for him in 2008, I've never been excessively happy with Barack Obama. His use of that term is a point of contention.
 
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