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Here's kind of a catch-all thread for looming trade discussions...

Braves signed Wil Nieves to a minor league deal this morning. Makes sense as a possible fill-in in the event that someone's sniffing around on A. J..
 
I doubt AJ has any real trade value, so unless they just decided to dump him he's probably staying for now. But I hope I am wrong as I rather see Bethancourt and Nieves as that would be better for our pitchers.
 
This is ostensibly just a depth move since we didn't have a reasonable replacement if one of Bethancourt or Pierzynski is hurt.

I think the "leadership value" that AJ provides will outweigh the minimal trade value he has. It's more likely that Bethancourt is sent to GWI than it is that AJ is traded.
 
dak said:
This is ostensibly just a depth move since we didn't have a reasonable replacement if one of Bethancourt or Pierzynski is hurt.

I think the "leadership value" that AJ provides will outweigh the minimal trade value he has. It's more likely that Bethancourt is sent to GWI than it is that AJ is traded.
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Yea, you're probably right. Hart and AJ go way back so I'd be surprised if he moves him any sooner than closer to the deadline (and he might not move him at all since I doubt AJ will ever have much trade interest).
 
As it stands now, here's how I view the value of our trade chips . . .

Players that could return a legit prospect (would make our top 10 list): Grilli
Players that could return a mid-level prospect (would be 11-25 on our list): JJ
Players that could return a fringe prospect (outside of our top 25): Avilan, KJ, Bert, AJ, Gomes
Players that we'd need to send significant $ to move: CJ, Maybin, Cahill
 
dak said:
As it stands now, here's how I view the value of our trade chips . . .

Players that could return a legit prospect (would make our top 10 list): Grilli
Players that could return a mid-level prospect (would be 11-25 on our list): JJ
Players that could return a fringe prospect (outside of our top 25): Avilan, KJ, Bert, AJ, Gomes
Players that we'd need to send significant $ to move: CJ, Maybin, Cahill
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I'd argue that given the right situation A. J. could net a return of someone that might slip into our current Top 25, but it would have to be a team where he'd be a perfect fit - like Miami for instance. He'd be a nice fit between Stanton and whichever right-handed bat they've been hitting behind him on a given day to help balance the lineup. His experience would be invaluable as he'd join Prado and Morse as vets who can help the kids with no pennant race experience.

Otherwise I'd think those are pretty reasonable expectations as things stand today.
 
I dont think we trade anyone for any prospect that would break our top 10. Grilli was signed to a multi year deal so he would have to give permission to be traded halfway thru the first year. Best 2 trades we can probably make are trading Chris Johnson and Maybin to a desperate contender just as a salary dump. That would save us 15.6 million in 2016 and 10 million in 2017. That would put us at about 46 million in payroll next year including arbitration raises for Minor/Miller/Avilan but not counting pre-arb players. I wont be surprised if we are in the running for guys like Price and Weiters.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Grilli was signed to a multi year deal so he would have to give permission to be traded halfway thru the first year.
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To my knowledge, there are no restrictions on trading Grilli other than the usual limitation of not being able to trade players signed as free agents until mid-May or so. Beyond that, we do not need his permission to complete a trade since he doesn't have a no-trade clause and he doesn't have 10/5 rights.
 
Not sure why people are dumping over Maybin. The guy has good power and is getting on base around a .320 clip. Isn't that the sort of player we thought we had when we signed BJ? If he keeps this up we won't have to worry about pawning him off. We'll have plenty of buyers.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I dont think we trade anyone for any prospect that would break our top 10. Grilli was signed to a multi year deal so he would have to give permission to be traded halfway thru the first year. Best 2 trades we can probably make are trading Chris Johnson and Maybin to a desperate contender just as a salary dump. That would save us 15.6 million in 2016 and 10 million in 2017. That would put us at about 46 million in payroll next year including arbitration raises for Minor/Miller/Avilan but not counting pre-arb players. I wont be surprised if we are in the running for guys like Price and Weiters.
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Don't see any way Mike Minor is tendered a contract following this season personally.
 
Carp said:
Not sure why people sure dumping over Maybin. The guy has good power and is getting on base around a .320 clip. Isn't that sort of player we thought we had when we signed BJ? If he keeps this up we won't have to worry about pawning him off. We'll have plenty of buyers.
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You're making too much sense right now.
 
I think Maybin is a useful player. He's the best CF we have on our 40-man roster right now. I'm just suggesting that no one is lining up to pay him the $9m he's owed next year based on his track record to date.
 
Carp said:
Not sure why people sure dumping over Maybin. The guy has good power and is getting on base around a .320 clip. Isn't that sort of player we thought we had when we signed BJ? If he keeps this up we won't have to worry about pawning him off. We'll have plenty of buyers.
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That's amazingly perceptive. You know, I never thought of it that way. We finally got the BJ Upton we wanted. It only cost us Craig Kimbrel.

The economics of baseball stinks.
 
I was thinking about Weiters the other day cajun. If CB turns into nothing this year I could see the interest being mutual. I like Price alot. I hope Greinke opts out and we pursue him.
 
dak said:
I think Maybin is a useful player. He's the best CF we have on our 40-man roster right now. I'm just suggesting that no one is lining up to pay him the $9m he's owed next year based on his track record to date.
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9 million is not a lot. And if he continues with his current production up to the all star break, I think plenty of teams would take on 9 million (plus his remaining contract for this year) for that sort of production. In fact, if he maintains his production up to the deadline then, IMO, we should keep him unless we get an actual prospect(s) of worth in return. The FA pool for CFers this off-season is barren. You have Fowler, Span, and Austin Jackson as the only guys who are legitimate CF starting options. I would rather not pay any of those guys more than 10 million per for the next 4 years, as they are likely to command. We could go the prospect route, with a Mallex Smith type, but that's a little risky if we have hopes of competing at all. And for a team bereft of power hitters, Maybin is a breath of fresh air. And seems to be well liked in the clubhouse from what I can tell.
 
Carp said:
And if he continues with his current production up to the all star break, I think plenty of teams would take on 9 million (plus his remaining contract for this year) for that sort of production.
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I sincerely hope you're right. If he ends up having that kinds of value, that will make the Kimbrel deal all the better.
 
clvclv said:
Don't see any way Mike Minor is tendered a contract following this season personally.
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Unless his arm falls off he will be tendered. He wont get a raise on the 5.6 million he made this year but the Braves would be crazy not to spend that much money to see if Minor can come back. Especially since we have 2 more years of team control left. I believe they spent 6 million on Cahill this year, so they are more than willing to spend 5.6 million on what could amount to nothing,
 
While somewhat different situations, we cut bait with Meds and Beachy just this past off-season instead of paying them around 5 million a piece. Wouldn't surprise me to see Minor get the same treatment considering how much he will be due.
 
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