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From today's Keith Law chat wrap:

Papa K. (Atlanta) [via mobile]

How and why do you think frank wren was allowed to stay on the job as long he did? How could john Schuerholz be so asleep at the wheel? In my humble opinion, Schuerholz's legacy is greatly tarnished because he allowed Frank wren to nearly run the braves organization into the ground.

Klaw (1:53 PM)
Wren's biggest failing was managing people. He filled his staff with cronies, and didn't treat the non-cronies well. People don't like working for or with him, and that makes it hard for me to understand how he lasted that long. Even when the team is winning, do you still look down at a dysfunctional staff and assume it's sustainable?
 
thethe said:
From today's Keith Law chat wrap:

Papa K. (Atlanta) [via mobile]

How and why do you think frank wren was allowed to stay on the job as long he did? How could john Schuerholz be so asleep at the wheel? In my humble opinion, Schuerholz's legacy is greatly tarnished because he allowed Frank wren to nearly run the braves organization into the ground.

Klaw (1:53 PM)
Wren's biggest failing was managing people. He filled his staff with cronies, and didn't treat the non-cronies well. People don't like working for or with him, and that makes it hard for me to understand how he lasted that long. Even when the team is winning, do you still look down at a dysfunctional staff and assume it's sustainable?
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Kinda what we all figured. Interesting to see it in print though.
 
Will there be more deniers? As I've said numerous times...my feelings changed once Roy Clark came back to the organization as soon as Frank Wren's car pulled out of the Turner field lot.

Unless you are in complete denial or despise the Braves front office its pretty clear to see why Wren was fired.
 
If this is all true, and it certainly looks it in part, it is just as bad on JS for standing around watching Wren **** on everything. He let him run off Cox? REALLY!? Come on...
 
Dalyn said:
If this is all true, and it certainly looks it in part, it is just as bad on JS for standing around watching Wren **** on everything. He let him run off Cox? REALLY!? Come on...
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100% agreed. JS definitely deserves credit.

Take it for what its worth but I read Bill Shanks say that Wren had McGuirks ear and that could have contributed to all of this as well.
 
thethe said:
100% agreed. JS definitely deserves credit.

Take it for what its worth but I read Bill Shanks say that Wren had McGuirks ear and that could have contributed to all of this as well.
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Convenient, since that exempts JS from any blame at all.
 
Julio3000 said:
Seriously, it's amazing that JS has somehow come through this whole thing without any stink on him at all.
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When the people you work with like and respect you mistakes are recoverable. When you are an absolute ass-hat and people hate you the door is shown to you as soon as a moment presents itself. Baseball front offices, as in life, are about relationships.
 
thethe said:
When the people you work with like and respect you mistakes are recoverable. When you are an absolute ass-hate and people hate you the door is shown to you as soon as a moment presents itself. Baseball front offices as in life are about relationships.
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That sounds good, but it doesn't mesh with what apparently happened.
 
cajunrevenge said:
JS/Cox/Chipper are above criticism imo. They could kill a hooker in downtown Atlanta during rush hour and I would still support them.
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I won't go that far but I have an extreme amount of faith in JS knowing how to run a front office and empowering the people around him. He made a mistake in handing the reigns over to Wren and should be criticized for that but that should never be considered a death knell on him.
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
Not JS, guy was brutal during the second half of his tenure here.
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Hard to keep a special run going when the budget changes so dramatically. If given the same conditions all the way through (loose or tight purse strings), I think a lot of moves would have been done differently.).
 
JS is a victim of having too much success. I know some people are bitter we didnt win more championships but I am more proud of the division streak than any world series win. A team wins the world series every year, no one will win 15 divisions in a row and no coach will win 16 division titles in a row like Cox did as a coach. When you find the right person for the job I dont believe in firing them because they make a mistake. We could be in a lot worse situation. Our rebuilds are short and we dont go through what the Astros or Pirates went through.
 
thethe said:
When the people you work with like and respect you mistakes are recoverable. When you are an absolute ass-hat and people hate you the door is shown to you as soon as a moment presents itself. Baseball front offices, as in life, are about relationships.
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Dalyn said:
That sounds good, but it doesn't mesh with what apparently happened.
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thethe said:
Please elaborate..
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I could go several different ways with this, but I will just focus on the "as soon as a moment presents itself" part. By the end of 2011, Wren had already chased off Clark and many others and pushed Cox into retiring. Much of the damage we keep hearing about was already done and apparently everyone hated him. But he survived the biggest collapse in Atlanta Braves history.
 
cajunrevenge said:
JS/Cox/Chipper are above criticism imo. They could kill a hooker in downtown Atlanta during rush hour and I would still support them.
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I couldn't agree more when it comes to Cox and Chipper. Love both of them and baseball hasn't been the same since they retired.
 
thethe said:
100% agreed. JS definitely deserves credit.

Take it for what its worth but I read Bill Shanks say that Wren had McGuirks ear and that could have contributed to all of this as well.
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If that's the case, then Wren would have had Fredi fired. Hell, wren would have not had Fredi hired. I call total shenanigans.
 
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