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cajunrevenge said:
Random speculation time. The Jays have a desperate need for pitching so how about trading one of Miller/Teheran/Wood for Josh Donaldson? I dont know that Toronto has any decent 3B option after Donaldson so we can throw Chris Johnson in too. The years of team control are about equal.
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They won't trade him. He's been incredible this year and hit multiple walk off homeruns.

The Braves only chance to have traded for him was last offseason.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Random speculation time. The Jays have a desperate need for pitching so how about trading one of Miller/Teheran/Wood for Josh Donaldson? I dont know that Toronto has any decent 3B option after Donaldson so we can throw Chris Johnson in too. The years of team control are about equal.
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The think tank on Donaldson had concluded. I believe our consensus offer was Miller, Peraza, and someone else.
 
sturg33 said:
Talk about a missed opportunity...
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It's hard to say if we could have gotten him. We didn't have Brett Lawrie to offer. Closest thing to him we have was Tron in a young good controllable position player. Of course Tron is way better and probably worth as much as the rest of the package Oakland sent as neither Graveman or Nolan are anything special, about equivalents to Hursh and Fried. Barretto is quite good though. He's like their Albies.
 
zitothebrave said:
It's hard to say if we could have gotten him. We didn't have Brett Lawrie to offer. Closest thing to him we have was Tron in a young good controllable position player. Of course Tron is way better and probably worth as much as the rest of the package Oakland sent as neither Graveman or Nolan are anything special, about equivalents to Hursh and Fried. Barretto is quite good though. He's like their Albies.
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Simmons is a much better player than Lawrie. I like Barretto though. That package is extremely underwhelming for Donaldson.
 
chop2chip said:
The thing is we couldn't have beaten Toronto's package. At the time of the trade our farm system was garbage.
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We could have if we had a young controllable high upside position player. Lawrie used to be good and used to have high upside. Gattis was the closest thing we had to Lawrie (still much better of course) but he didn't strike me as a player Beane liked.

As I said, we could match the other 3, it would have wrecked our minors but if we offered Peraza, Hursh and Martin, that beats their 3 prospects.
 
zitothebrave said:
We could have if we had a young controllable high upside position player. Lawrie used to be good and used to have high upside. Gattis was the closest thing we had to Lawrie (still much better of course) but he didn't strike me as a player Beane liked.

As I said, we could match the other 3, it would have wrecked our minors but if we offered Peraza, Hursh and Martin, that beats their 3 prospects.
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Lawrie was never good outside of the minors
 
zitothebrave said:
Ok, so his rookie year doesn't count but this year does? He had a 97 wRC+ from 2012-2014. In 302 games 1260 PA he had a 5.4 fWAR.
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It does but he's not even close to that player now, it's not like his numbers are down slightly....he went from a 157 to a sub 100 guy.
 
thethe said:
Someone else's numbers are inflated by his rookie season....
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Not close to the same situation, Heyward was at 134 his rookie year then dropped off to a 110-120 range. It's a 10 point drop compared to a 50-60 point drop in Lawrie.
 
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