GDT: 5/31, Braves @ Giants; Day Off For Freeman

VirginiaBrave said:
They can get a run in at the right time. I have seen very few runs score on strike outs.
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I don't agree with your overall point, so don't take this the wrong way, but:
Strikeouts are considered super valuable for pitchers. The ones who strike out the most guys get huge bumps in value, and it helps their advanced stats a ton. So if strikeouts are so great for a pitcher, why are they not just as bad, the other way, for a hitter? Why does the fact that we struck out a ton the previous two seasons not matter that much to some? When it comes to certain plays, strikeouts just kill you. Sure, DPs suck, too. But putting the ball in play is certainly better, on average, than striking out. Which is why teams love a pitcher who can put guys away with a strikeout, regardless of situation.

That said, Justin is a far, far, far superior player to Jace right now. It's not close. And I'm a Jace fan.
 
thethe said:
The manager saying he is not comfortable when the pitcher is on the mound goes over hte line. Sure, say he isn't performing as good as last year but the other comment implies a loss of confidence. No player should have to read about that in the paper.
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lmao stop. that's so silly.
 
yeezus said:
I don't agree with your overall point, so don't take this the wrong way, but:
Strikeouts are considered super valuable for pitchers. The ones who strike out the most guys get huge bumps in value, and it helps their advanced stats a ton. So if strikeouts are so great for a pitcher, why are they not just as bad, the other way, for a hitter? Why does the fact that we struck out a ton the previous two seasons not matter that much to some? When it comes to certain plays, strikeouts just kill you. Sure, DPs suck, too. But putting the ball in play is certainly better, on average, than striking out. Which is why teams love a pitcher who can put guys away with a strikeout, regardless of situation.

That said, Justin is a far, far, far superior player to Jace right now. It's not close. And I'm a Jace fan.
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LOL, welcome back to 2005 when people tried to make this point on this board. http://www.3-dbaseball.net/2009/09/why-strikeouts-matter-more-for-pitchers.html
 
thethe imagining Julio in his hotel room last night after the plane ride, in his bed snuggly under the covers looking at the clock on the nightstand with tears slowly coming down one eye... and a laptop on the floor with a Columbian sports news website with Fredi's quote in Spanish. Deep sad thoughts.
 
chop2chip said:
The same Justin who is hitting .310 this year. Man, he's a joke of a player.
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Let me say it this way. Justin is a fine offensive player but he could be better--a lot better if he would cut down on K's. He is overrated defensively and we don't know what kind of clubhouse presence he was. I do know I'm glad both Uptons are gone. I am glad Gattis is gone as well as Heyward. The only one I am missing is Kimbrel.
 
Heywood said:
thethe imagining Julio in his hotel room last night after the plane ride, in his bed snuggly under the covers looking at the clock on the nightstand with tears slowly coming down one eye... and a laptop on the floor with a Columbian sports news website with Fredi's quote in Spanish. Deep sad thoughts.
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Why does he have to read a Columbian news website? Sounds a bit racist.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Let me say it this way. Justin is a fine offensive player but he could be better--a lot better if he would cut down on K's. He is overrated defensively and we don't know what kind of clubhouse presence he was. I do know I'm glad both Uptons are gone. I am glad Gattis is gone as well as Heyward. The only one I am missing is Kimbrel.
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Good lord.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Let me say it this way. Justin is a fine offensive player but he could be better--a lot better if he would cut down on K's. He is overrated defensively and we don't know what kind of clubhouse presence he was. I do know I'm glad both Uptons are gone. I am glad Gattis is gone as well as Heyward. The only one I am missing is Kimbrel.
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So he's not better than Jace because he's underachieving in your eyes? That's essentially the center of your argument.

It's really unfortunate how much you hated to having one of the best teams in baseball in 2013.
 
gilesfan said:
LOL, welcome back to 2005 when people tried to make this point on this board. http://www.3-dbaseball.net/2009/09/why-strikeouts-matter-more-for-pitchers.html
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They can certainly matter more for pitchers. But that doesn't mean they don't matter at all for hitters. They can't be super important for pitchers and inconsequential for hitters. A lot of times, they aren't "just another out." And this is especially true when facing great pitchers in the post-season. Did ANYONE have faith our hot-and-cold, strikeout prone, 96-win offense was going to hit well in the playoffs?
 
yeezus said:
They can certainly matter more for pitchers. But that doesn't mean they don't matter at all for hitters. They can't be super important for pitchers and inconsequential for hitters. A lot of times, they aren't "just another out." And this is especially true when facing great pitchers in the post-season. Did ANYONE have faith our hot-and-cold, strikeout prone, 96-win offense was going to hit well in the playoffs?
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Can you provide the study that shows teams that strikeout a lot don't hit well in the playoffs?
 
yeezus said:
They can certainly matter more for pitchers. But that doesn't mean they don't matter at all for hitters. They can't be super important for pitchers and inconsequential for hitters. A lot of times, they aren't "just another out." And this is especially true when facing great pitchers in the post-season. Did ANYONE have faith our hot-and-cold, strikeout prone, 96-win offense was going to hit well in the playoffs?
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All things equal, you would rather have a player not strike out. Unfortunately for your side of the debate, players that strike out a lot typically hit for more power. There's a reason the best hitters in the game typically have strike out rates over 20%.

But for the jac's, Andrelton Simmon's, And other players that are in the lineup for the value they bring in other capacities, you prefer that they have as low of strike out rate as possible because they aren't likely to produce a lot of value trying to hit for power.
 
With now Uribe seemingly taking over at 3B could we make the argument that the Braves have the best defensive combination (2B/SS/3B) in the major leagues?

Statistically, what metric would be the best one to quantify that with?

Also, if Uribe finds a way to produce for the rest of the year do the Braves look to extent him for a modest 15 year deal?
 
thethe said:
With now Uribe seemingly taking over at 3B could we make the argument that the Braves have the best defensive combination (2B/SS/3B) in the major leagues?

Statistically, what metric would be the best one to quantify that with?

Also, if Uribe finds a way to produce for the rest of the year do the Braves look to extent him for a modest 15 year deal?
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Chris Spratt wrote an article for ESPN Insider that basically made that exact point. However, he said the only thing that would hold the Braves back is that they shift less than any team in baseball. Fredi strikes again.

I would probably look at DRS, but, as with most statistics, it's good to use a variety of different metrics to evaluate.
 
Heywood said:
thethe imagining Julio in his hotel room last night after the plane ride, in his bed snuggly under the covers looking at the clock on the nightstand with tears slowly coming down one eye... and a laptop on the floor with a Columbian sports news website with Fredi's quote in Spanish. Deep sad thoughts.
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I don't get it. The manager of the team says publicly that he's lost confidence in his highest paid, opening day starting pitcher. If ANYONE's boss said that they don't have confidence in them to do their job - that's a ****ty thing to hear and puts more pressure on him.

It's SO easy to not say that.
 
chop2chip said:
Chris Spratt wrote an article for ESPN Insider that basically made that exact point. However, he said the only thing that would hold the Braves back is that they shift less than any team in baseball. Fredi strikes again.

I would probably look at DRS, but, as with most statistics, it's good to use a variety of different metrics to evaluate.
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With ground ball pitchers like Wood/Miller/Perez in there that has to make the Braves chances to accumulate a few more wins than expected somewhat realistic I would think.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't get it. The manager of the team says publicly that he's lost confidence in his highest paid, opening day starting pitcher. If ANYONE's boss said that they don't have confidence in them to do their job - that's a ****ty thing to hear and puts more pressure on him.

It's SO easy to not say that.
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Maybe Fredi knows Julio well and figures it will motivate him but a comment like that can have hte exact opposite effect.

Its just not worth it to say that in public.
 
I really like the infield with Uribe in it. He was a very nice pickup. I would love to get something out of LF / more out of RF.
 
sturg33 said:
I really like the infield with Uribe in it. He was a very nice pickup. I would love to get something out of LF / more out of RF.
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Kelly Johnson was beasting it for the most part. We really miss him and even with the expected regression out of him I think he is going to drastically help the offense.
 
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