GDT: 5/31, Braves @ Giants; Day Off For Freeman

yeezus said:
it's certainly a crude look at it and doesn't prove anything, but it's at least a little telling that those that succeed in the playoffs are generally in the bottom-3rd of K rate.
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Is it the low K rate or the teams that have power pitching that advance? (You inferred earlier that teams in the playoffs have power pitchers).

I tend to think its the latter with the former being probably inconsequential.
 
gilesfan said:
Not getting a ton back for him, but you are correct that something of value could be added.
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ANd if Mallex keeps doing well, and Fried recovers where he can be a trade piece, it's a solid deal.

To go with Jace.

I do agree we're probably a playoff team with Justin though
 
CyYoung31 said:
Can't believe we're debating Justin Upton vs. Jace Peterson. This a new low thethe, even for you.
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Did thethe say Jace was better than Justin? I only went back a page in the thread so maybe I missed something. I did see another poster say he rather have 5 years of Jace over 1 year of Justin. But I don't think he is saying Jace is better, I figured he was just taking the years of control into account and maybe our rebuilding too.

Nevermind my question, I found the posts by thethe and VirginiaBrave.
 
Braves1976 said:
Did thethe say Jace was better than Justin? I only went back a page in the thread so maybe I missed something. I did see another poster say he rather have 5 years of Jace over 1 year of Justin. But I don't think he is saying Jace is better, I figured he was just taking the years of control into account and maybe our rebuilding too.
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It was just VirginiaBrave that made that insane claim.
 
Braves1976 said:
Did thethe say Jace was better than Justin? I only went back a page in the thread so maybe I missed something. I did see another poster say he rather have 5 years of Jace over 1 year of Justin. But I don't think he is saying Jace is better, I figured he was just taking the years of control into account and maybe our rebuilding too.

Nevermind my question, I found the posts by thethe and VirginiaBrave.
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Of course I never said that becuase that would be a foolish thing to say.
 
If the debate is 5 or 6 years of Jace vs one of Justin, then i dont think thats too crazy.
 
thethe said:
Of course I never said that becuase that would be a foolish thing to say.
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OK, it is hard to tell in one of your posts what you meant exactly. Plus with VirginiaBrave comments mixed in, and your interaction with him, I can see how it can be taken as you both saying pretty much the same thing.

Regardless, it was a silly debate that should never have been started.
 
CyYoung31 said:
You said this:

Which is ridiculous no matter which way you slice it.
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Yea, that is a silly question to ask. FWIW, Hart admitted that he knew very little about Peterson when the trade was made. Braves figured he might be another Gosselin type player.
 
dak said:
I agree with this. I think 1 year of Justin Upton + a sandwich pick is worth more than 6 years of Jace Peterson. I really like Jace and want him to prove me wrong, but I fear some are raising the expectations bar a little too high on him. I'd say there's a >50% chance that Jace will be non-tendered before he reaches free agency. That's the same way I felt about Gattis, which is why I was very happy with the return from Houston.
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His non gauranteed contract adds to his value as well. If he's terrible in 3 years then he can just be dropped. It also makes him more tradeable.
 
CyYoung31 said:
You said this:

Which is ridiculous no matter which way you slice it.
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How do you quantify the amount of return you would want for a trade of one year of Justin Upton. This has absolutely nothing to do with who is a better player. I'm making an argument that alone Jace Peterson will provide more value to the Braves than that one year of a great player.
 
Speaking of Justin Upton, Heyman brought up an interesting question regarding the Padres and if they keep falling out of the race. If that happens will they turn around and aggressively try to trade off Justin Upton? If so it will be interesting to see what he brings at the deadline in comparison to this past off-season.
 
Heyward said:
If the debate is 5 or 6 years of Jace vs one of Justin, then i dont think thats too crazy.
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It is because Jace profiles as an averagish player. Someone that should be easy to find for almost any MLB team. So yes Jace straight up for Justin would be a horrible trade for whoever gets Jace.
 
thewupk said:
It is because Jace profiles as an averagish player. Someone that should be easy to find for almost any MLB team. So yes Jace straight up for Justin would be a horrible trade for whoever gets Jace.
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Average to you, maybe not others.
 
thethe said:
How do you quantify the amount of return you would want for a trade of one year of Justin Upton. This has absolutely nothing to do with who is a better player. I'm making an argument that alone Jace Peterson will provide more value to the Braves than that one year of a great player.
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Your case is just wrong. Not just difference of opinion, but wrong.
 
yeezus said:
They can certainly matter more for pitchers. But that doesn't mean they don't matter at all for hitters. They can't be super important for pitchers and inconsequential for hitters. A lot of times, they aren't "just another out." And this is especially true when facing great pitchers in the post-season. Did ANYONE have faith our hot-and-cold, strikeout prone, 96-win offense was going to hit well in the playoffs?
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No one stat is good or great. A pitcher who strikes out a ton but walks the world and gives up homers is nto a good pitcher. COnversely a guy like Joey Votto or Freddie Freeman who also strike out a good amount, doesn't mean they're bad players cause they crush the ball when they make contact, and they walk well. THere's a point where a hitter strikes out too much as there's a point where a pitcher isn't striking out enough.
 
I respect thethe's initial question. I get where he was coming from and I've enjoyed the debate. It's been an interesting discussion when you put your biases aside. I mean in a perfect world Upton for Peterson is a no brainer. But considering the Braves position now... it's an interesting discussion if you include all the externalities.
 
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