6/14/15 GDT: Braves (Foltynewicz) @ Mets (Gee)

jsebe10 said:
You are wrong.

There's a difference in letting a team be horrible to gain experience and forcing them to be horrible to gain experience. The office needs to accept that this team can win the way it is now but lack a few points to put them over the top. No reason to completely sell out a season to gain experience when you don't have to. This team prices that. But giving up 4 bombs to 4 players who have absolutely ZERO fcking power is what's burning this team.
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Accelerating a plan because the early moves have turned out to be better than anyone could have thought is not a smart idea. This whole thing was geared towards 2017 and now it has shifted to 2016. They will make additions but nothing significant. One move they should not make is moving Folty to AAA. He has had plenty of good starts this year. We should not expect a good start every time out with a young guy like him.
 
USMA76 said:
Actually, for every positive sign it seems there have been about an equal number of negative ones. We were projected as a 70 something win team and that's where we are. Is there reason to be optimistic? Until we can actually win games that we should've already won, I will be concerned. Saying that literally no Braves lead is safe is (1) an understatement and (2) the mark of a team that's, at best, mediocre.
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And its all about the bullpen which not many people thought would be good this year.
 
chop2chip said:
It's about $7M per WAR. So it should be decent value, but not an absolute steal.
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Agreed. Never said it was a steal. But as of now its projected to be a bargain in year 1. That could change later on though but we don't know that.

It was 7M last year. I would imgaine it increased this past offseason.
 
thethe said:
Agreed. Never said it was a steal. But as of now its projected to be a bargain in year 1. That could change later on though but we don't know that.

It was 7M last year. I would imgaine it increased this past offseason.
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You also have to consider that we are a mid market team that can't survive paying market value for players. That 7M per WAR is skewed by the teams that can afford bad contracts.

With that said, Markakis has been worth his 11M, especially since he didn't cost a draft pick.
 
thethe said:
And its all about the bullpen which not many people thought would be good this year.
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As bad as our bullpen has been (and make no mistake, they've been awful) this one's on Folty. Fredi had to go a bullpen that actually seemed to be "stopping the bleeding" for the past couple of games but also was worn out. When your starter is staked to a five run lead but can't make it out of the fifth inning and have a spent bullpen, you're usually screwed--and we were.

Folty's going to have to pitch a couple of good games to allow us to forget the absolute stench of this performance.

NOTE: Spellcheck keeps trying to change "Folty" to "Folly." Coincidence?
 
thethe said:
Accelerating a plan because the early moves have turned out to be better than anyone could have thought is not a smart idea. This whole thing was geared towards 2017 and now it has shifted to 2016. They will make additions but nothing significant. One move they should not make is moving Folty to AAA. He has had plenty of good starts this year. We should not expect a good start every time out with a young guy like him.
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I only remember one start he's had that I would consider "good." The kid is not ready, yet.
 
USMA76 said:
Talk and optimism are cheap but I sure hope you're right.
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I hope so too. I'm pretty confidant that Weber, Carpenter and Kelly will be good(probably not great) relievers. Withrow, Vizcaino, and S Simmons will be dominant I believe.
 
The cost per War for a rightfielder is typically 6-6.3 mil.

The cost per WAR figure being in the 7 range is due in part to relievers being something like 15 million per WAR, whoch brings the average up
 
Folty seems to get a pass most games he's been bad, outside of today, because of the hype due to his big fastball which can reach high 90's or even 100 mph. But I don't buy the hype because I see a thrower more than a pitcher with a big fastball that too often flattens out and that cannot be thrown for strikes consistently enough without dialing it down to mid-90s or lower. Plus he still lacks consistency on his secondary pitches making it easier to sit on his fastball.

To sum it up, I see a kid that should be in AAA and not in the Majors.
 
Perfect Cell said:
Would it be a bad idea to move Folty to the pen?
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I don't think the Braves should give up on his starting prospects yet. Like [MENTION=7]thethe[/MENTION] said, give him a full season's worth of major-league starts, then—if it looks like he can't swim in that rôle—you think about transitioning him to the pen.
 
Garmel said:
I hope so too. I'm pretty confidant that Weber, Carpenter and Kelly will be good(probably not great) relievers. Withrow, Vizcaino, and S Simmons will be dominant I believe.
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Weber, Carpenter and Kelly are having great seasons in the minors. So they do deserve a shot at some point. Carpenter already has some MLB experience with the Angels. Further, we have to hope Viz, Withrow and Shae Simmons can all come back strong to fix our bullpen.
 
jpx7 said:
I don't think the Braves should give up on his starting prospects yet. Like [MENTION=7]thethe[/MENTION] said, give him a full season's worth of major-league starts, then—if it looks like he can't swim in that rôle—you think about transitioning him to the pen.
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His stuff is way too electric and dirty to move to the pen unless you're absolutely sure he can't make it as a starter. But I still think he may need some more time at AAA
 
Folty's strikeout to walks look great. I have been pleasantly surprised by the lack of walks.

He struggles locating his secondary pitches though. That's a legitimate problem and one that's been noticed since his minor league days. I don't know if he would be best served going to the minor leagues, but it wouldn't be the worst idea either.
 
Jace Peterson, like Smith and D. Peterson in the minors, just continues to make the Justin Upton trade look better and better. If Fried comes back strong then trading one year of Justin for this package plus the international slot money used to sign other prospects should be a big win for us long-term.
 
Braves1976 said:
Jace Peterson, like Smith and D. Peterson in the minors, just continues to make the Justin Upton trade look better and better. If Fried comes back strong then trading one year of Justin for this package plus the international slot money used to sign other prospects should be a big win for us long-term.
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That would be quite the coup, considering Fried was the centerpiece... Everyone of those players have starter/MLB regular potential... whether they all hit that ceiling is obviously still yet to be seen.
 
Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, Greg Maddux, which one of those started out like a HOFer? none. A pitcher needs to take his lumps to start with, it is only normal, the fact that he is doing so in a year we were not expected to really be competitive in a plus, it just means his time of being good is closer.
 
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